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Elmhurst Steve wrote:

I said last season after Sale was off to a great first half, that he would not win the Cy Young because he would fade in the 2nd half as he always has.

Except he didn't quite "fade".

His ERA, WHIP, K per 9 were all better post 2016 AS Break than they were pre AS break. Now if you meant that he could not keep up a win% of .824, then I would have agreed with the sun rising in the east.

There is 100% chance Shields is in the rotation at the beginning of next year and a 0% chance for Kopech. JR isn't eating a year of Shields salary without a last chance to redeem himself. RH isn't burning through a year of Kopech control, especially since he has spent almost no time above AA. He might be there in MLB by June along with Jimenez.

Some of you are misguided thinking these prospects will spring from Rick Hahn's head fully grown. Three rookie pitchers in the starting rotation and several others in the bullpen equates to developmental year with some great moments but more rough times.

good dolphin wrote:

There's no doubt that there will be failure and development, but a quarter of these guys starts are going to be against the Triple A Tigers and Royals next year. When your division is gifting you 38 games against two of the worst teams in baseball you almost can't help but be a contender.

In fact if the Marlins are going to have to give away Stanton, I think the Sox should be in the mix for him. As the Cubs showed us last year all you have to do is make the playoffs.

MartyD47 wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

The Cubs had the best record in Baseball in 2016. A team winning a World Series after qualifying with a wild card bid would be a better example (2003 Marlins).

No way will the Sox spend the money and prospects needed to aquire Stanton. Until they see if any of their suspects turn out, they would be foolish to begin free agent spending, except for a low end stop gap type. Once they see what spots are covered and by guys they are able to develop and the team is close enough to contend, THEN free agents can be looked at seriously.

MartyD47 wrote:

I have to say Kopech is the real deal, pair him with Rodon at the top and the Sox are going to be contending for division titles sooner than we think. He is at 97-99 easy heat. All things being equal he is going to be a monster on that mound.

You mean THREE with Giolito, Kopech and Rodon

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:15 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Two Stallions Atop The Rotation
There is 100% chance Shields is in the rotation at the beginning of next year and a 0% chance for Kopech. JR isn't eating a year of Shields salary without a last chance to redeem himself. RH isn't burning through a year of Kopech control, especially since he has spent almost no time above AA. He might be there in MLB by June along with Jimenez. Some of you are misguided thinking these prospects will spring from Rick Hahn's head fully grown. Three rookie pitchers in the starting rotation and several others in the bullpen equates to developmental year with some great moments but more rough times.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:18 am ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Elmhurst Steve wrote: I said last season after Sale was off to a great first half, that he would not win the Cy Young because he would fade in the 2nd half as he always has. Except he didn't quite "fade". His ERA, WHIP, K per 9 were all better post 2016 AS Break than they were pre AS break. Now if you meant that he could not keep up a win% of .824, then I would have agreed with the sun rising in the east. So it's all about W% until you need peripherals for an argument? That's convenient

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:23 am ]
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Chris Sale had a winning record in 2016. And 2015. And 2014. And 2012. And he will in 2017. And Steve always "predicts" Sale to have a 'bad' second half. He did so in 2015 when he (I think) lead the league with an ERA in the low 2's. Real bold prediction there.

Author:	MartyD47 [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:33 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Two Stallions Atop The Rotation
good dolphin wrote: There is 100% chance Shields is in the rotation at the beginning of next year and a 0% chance for Kopech. JR isn't eating a year of Shields salary without a last chance to redeem himself. RH isn't burning through a year of Kopech control, especially since he has spent almost no time above AA. He might be there in MLB by June along with Jimenez. Some of you are misguided thinking these prospects will spring from Rick Hahn's head fully grown. Three rookie pitchers in the starting rotation and several others in the bullpen equates to developmental year with some great moments but more rough times. There's no doubt that there will be failure and development, but a quarter of these guys starts are going to be against the Triple A Tigers and Royals next year. When your division is gifting you 38 games against two of the worst teams in baseball you almost can't help but be a contender. In fact if the Marlins are going to have to give away Stanton, I think the Sox should be in the mix for him. As the Cubs showed us last year all you have to do is make the playoffs.

Author:	Elmhurst Steve [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Two Stallions Atop The Rotation
MartyD47 wrote: good dolphin wrote: There is 100% chance Shields is in the rotation at the beginning of next year and a 0% chance for Kopech. JR isn't eating a year of Shields salary without a last chance to redeem himself. RH isn't burning through a year of Kopech control, especially since he has spent almost no time above AA. He might be there in MLB by June along with Jimenez. Some of you are misguided thinking these prospects will spring from Rick Hahn's head fully grown. Three rookie pitchers in the starting rotation and several others in the bullpen equates to developmental year with some great moments but more rough times. There's no doubt that there will be failure and development, but a quarter of these guys starts are going to be against the Triple A Tigers and Royals next year. When your division is gifting you 38 games against two of the worst teams in baseball you almost can't help but be a contender. In fact if the Marlins are going to have to give away Stanton, I think the Sox should be in the mix for him. As the Cubs showed us last year all you have to do is make the playoffs. The Cubs had the best record in Baseball in 2016. A team winning a World Series after qualifying with a wild card bid would be a better example (2003 Marlins). No way will the Sox spend the money and prospects needed to aquire Stanton. Until they see if any of their suspects turn out, they would be foolish to begin free agent spending, except for a low end stop gap type. Once they see what spots are covered and by guys they are able to develop and the team is close enough to contend, THEN free agents can be looked at seriously.

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Author:	MartyD47 [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Two Stallions Atop The Rotation
Elmhurst Steve wrote: MartyD47 wrote: good dolphin wrote: There is 100% chance Shields is in the rotation at the beginning of next year and a 0% chance for Kopech. JR isn't eating a year of Shields salary without a last chance to redeem himself. RH isn't burning through a year of Kopech control, especially since he has spent almost no time above AA. He might be there in MLB by June along with Jimenez. Some of you are misguided thinking these prospects will spring from Rick Hahn's head fully grown. Three rookie pitchers in the starting rotation and several others in the bullpen equates to developmental year with some great moments but more rough times. There's no doubt that there will be failure and development, but a quarter of these guys starts are going to be against the Triple A Tigers and Royals next year. When your division is gifting you 38 games against two of the worst teams in baseball you almost can't help but be a contender. In fact if the Marlins are going to have to give away Stanton, I think the Sox should be in the mix for him. As the Cubs showed us last year all you have to do is make the playoffs. The Cubs had the best record in Baseball in 2016. A team winning a World Series after qualifying with a wild card bid would be a better example (2003 Marlins). No way will the Sox spend the money and prospects needed to aquire Stanton. Until they see if any of their suspects turn out, they would be foolish to begin free agent spending, except for a low end stop gap type. Once they see what spots are covered and by guys they are able to develop and the team is close enough to contend, THEN free agents can be looked at seriously. If the Sox can get to around 220 homers next year they will be postseason contenders. If they were to add Stanton their payroll would be at about $60M. Not going to take on that contract and give a top-tier prospect though.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Two Stallions Atop The Rotation
good dolphin wrote: MartyD47 wrote: I have to say Kopech is the real deal, pair him with Rodon at the top and the Sox are going to be contending for division titles sooner than we think. He is at 97-99 easy heat. All things being equal he is going to be a monster on that mound. You mean THREE with Giolito, Kopech and Rodon I guess I'll have to ramp down expectation with Rodon being injured. It is back to two with Giolito and Kopech.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:55 am ]
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So much for your guy's dumb shit Chris Sale sucks in September theory http://m.mlb.com/news/article/255273560 ... k-plateau/

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