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who....cares?

"wow we finished at least in the top 4 for three years in a row!!!" ok loser move to Canada burrito.

If they do, I will set the bar for success at a much higher position than a 4-10 record.

Higher than winning a World Series?

rogers park bryan wrote:

Higher than winning a World Series?

Did I say that?

rogers park bryan wrote:

Higher than winning a World Series?

Did I say that?

I mocked IMU because he said that "only one" World Series would be a failure.

Why do Sox fans get to determine what makes Theo and Jed's tenure a success or failure? Shouldn't the teams fans decide that?

For me...it would be a World Series victory...or at least several playoff appearances with a few NLCS appearances, or a World Series appearance or two.

A 2005 White Sox situation, to me, would be a failure.

Regular season record over the course of the tenure? Meh. That would heavily rely on how long the tenure is. 2016 and 2017 field only .500 teams? Not long. 2016 and 2017 are NLCS / World Series appearances and losses? Theo and Jed get a 8 year extension and have a lot more time to crest .500.

immessedup17 wrote:

LOOK AT THE SENTENCE I HAVE IN BOLD YOU IDIOT.

You said one title is a failure. Qualify it however you want, but you said that only one World Series title is a failure.

Probably not but not a big deal.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Probably not but not a big deal.

So championships are all that matter?

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Probably not but not a big deal.

So championships are all that matter?

No, but if you told me that I would never see my baseball team play in three straight semi-finals I would not really care.

LOOK AT THE SENTENCE I HAVE IN BOLD YOU IDIOT.

You said one title is a failure. Qualify it however you want, but you said that only one World Series title is a failure.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

leashyourkids wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Probably not but not a big deal.

So championships are all that matter?

No, but if you told me that I would never see my baseball team play in three straight semi-finals I would not really care.

Oh, I didn't realize you moved back to the Subdivision. Thought you were already neutral.

So championships are all that matter?

One caveat...a World Series is the ultimate goal, and it should be. BUT

I wouldn't call this rebuild a failure if the Cubs, from 2015-2020...appear in the World Series and lose...and maybe have 1 or 2 other NLCS appearances....only miss the playoffs once or twice in that period with teams that were right in the thick of it at the end.

I really want a World Series...but not at the cost of having to write off a bunch of other years. It shouldn't ever have to be that way. I want to be competitive in September. I want to watch my team in October. I could pat Theo and Jed on the back when all is said and done even without a World Series... more of a "fantastic effort" pat on the back. It would still be the best extended period of success in Cubs baseball since before World War II.

I want both / more. Call me greedy, it's cool.

I'd prefer homegrown talent being the main reason for a win, but this is not required. I just wanted to provide some background to me and how I am as a fan.

But what is required of the Cubs, by me, as the trade-off to sacrificing seasons on purpose...is a better period of success than the White Sox had surrounding their 2005 season. Two playoff appearances in 14 seasons, even if one resulted in a World Series, is not enough.

If I had the time and patience to come up with a point season, I would. But for quick shits and gigs:

World Series win = 50 points
World Series Appearance = 25 Points
NLCS Appearance = 20 points
Playoff Appearance (not counting Wildcard game, fuck that)= 15 points
90+ Win Season but no playoffs = 10 points
81-89 Win Season but no playoffs = 5 Points

Rules are you can only receive one set of points per season...so you don't get all the points for winning the World Series in a season. You get 50.

The Cubs, from 2016-2020, need to score at least...let's say... 90 points using this system for me to be "happy" with this rebuild. 70 points to be "content."

And don't criticize it that much, I quickly whipped it together. I did not try every combination of end-season results to see if this is truly accurate to how I feel. But it should give you an idea.

On this scale, from 2004 - 2008, the White Sox achieved an 80.

World Series win is 50, Playoff Appearance is 15, 90+ win season is 10, and 83 win season is 5.

EDIT: I'm still at the fucking office at 8:15 PM. Shit like this is why. lol.

leashyourkids wrote:

So championships are all that matter?

As long as you win two or more.

Author:	conns7901 [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:14 pm ]
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Never in their history have they made the playoffs two years in a row. Will we ever see 3 in our lifetime?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:17 pm ]
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Sure you will see it. Plenty of tickets will be available.

Author:	America [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:18 pm ]
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who....cares? "wow we finished at least in the top 4 for three years in a row!!!" ok loser move to Canada burrito.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:19 pm ]
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America wrote: who....cares? "wow we finished at least in the top 4 for three years in a row!!!" ok loser move to Canada burrito. Or France.

Author:	Jaw Breaker [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:19 pm ]
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There was like a three-decade stretch where the Cubs didn't have two consecutive winning seasons, so I guess anything is possible.

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Author:	Brick [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:20 pm ]
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Probably not but not a big deal.

Author:	Juiced [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:24 pm ]
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Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:33 pm ]
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If they do, I will set the bar for success at a much higher position than a 4-10 record.

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:48 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: If they do, I will set the bar for success at a much higher position than a 4-10 record. Higher than winning a World Series? Didnt you long mock IMU for such a take?

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:25 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Higher than winning a World Series? Did I say that? I mocked IMU because he said that "only one" World Series would be a failure.

Author:	IMU [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:32 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Higher than winning a World Series? Did I say that? I mocked IMU because he said that "only one" World Series would be a failure. I did not say that and I've proven it multiple times. I said I'd be content with one, but not winning another one would be a disappointment to me based on how early the Cubs won their first and how many years the Cubs still project to be very good. Frank Coztansa is a liar.

Author:	IMU [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:43 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: immessedup17 wrote: Why do Sox fans get to determine what makes Theo and Jed's tenure a success or failure? Shouldn't the teams fans decide that? For me...it would be a World Series victory...or at least several playoff appearances with a few NLCS appearances, or a World Series appearance or two. A 2005 White Sox situation, to me, would be a failure. Regular season record over the course of the tenure? Meh. That would heavily rely on how long the tenure is. 2016 and 2017 field only .500 teams? Not long. 2016 and 2017 are NLCS / World Series appearances and losses? Theo and Jed get a 8 year extension and have a lot more time to crest .500. LOOK AT THE SENTENCE RIGHT ABOVE THAT YOU IDIOT

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:50 pm ]
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Frank just quoted IMU where he specifically lays out the case. He just argued against his own point. Poor quote pull Mr Coztansa. The Cubs are already beyond the 2005 Sox situation.

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:52 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: LOOK AT THE SENTENCE I HAVE IN BOLD YOU IDIOT. You said one title is a failure. Qualify it however you want, but you said that only one World Series title is a failure. no he didn't at all. He said a 2005 Sox situation which was a WS and nothing before or after for years. You provided the evidence that proves you are wrong. Just own it and move on.

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Author:	KDdidit [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:54 pm ]
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Frank with the self-own. I know people are in a rush to troll Cub fans, but step back and think for a minute before you hit reply.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:59 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Probably not but not a big deal. So championships are all that matter?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:00 pm ]
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Rough day for Frank. He will rebound from this though.

Author:	Brick [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:03 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Probably not but not a big deal. So championships are all that matter? No, but if you told me that I would never see my baseball team play in three straight semi-finals I would not really care.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:03 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Probably not but not a big deal. So championships are all that matter? No, but if you told me that I would never see my baseball team play in three straight semi-finals I would not really care. Oh, I didn't realize you moved back to the Subdivision. Thought you were already neutral.

Author:	IMU [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:05 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: LOOK AT THE SENTENCE I HAVE IN BOLD YOU IDIOT. You said one title is a failure. Qualify it however you want, but you said that only one World Series title is a failure. I literally did not say one title is a failure. I said the White Sox situation would be a failure. One playoff appearance. Sad!

Author:	Brick [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:05 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: leashyourkids wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Probably not but not a big deal. So championships are all that matter? No, but if you told me that I would never see my baseball team play in three straight semi-finals I would not really care. Oh, I didn't realize you moved back to the Subdivision. Thought you were already neutral. I was talking about the Dodgers.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:08 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote: So championships are all that matter? As long as you win two or more.

Author:	IMU [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:08 pm ]
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From the same thread IMU wrote: One caveat...a World Series is the ultimate goal, and it should be. BUT I wouldn't call this rebuild a failure if the Cubs, from 2015-2020...appear in the World Series and lose...and maybe have 1 or 2 other NLCS appearances....only miss the playoffs once or twice in that period with teams that were right in the thick of it at the end. I really want a World Series...but not at the cost of having to write off a bunch of other years. It shouldn't ever have to be that way. I want to be competitive in September. I want to watch my team in October. I could pat Theo and Jed on the back when all is said and done even without a World Series... more of a "fantastic effort" pat on the back. It would still be the best extended period of success in Cubs baseball since before World War II. IMU wrote: I want both / more. Call me greedy, it's cool. I'd prefer homegrown talent being the main reason for a win, but this is not required. I just wanted to provide some background to me and how I am as a fan. But what is required of the Cubs, by me, as the trade-off to sacrificing seasons on purpose...is a better period of success than the White Sox had surrounding their 2005 season. Two playoff appearances in 14 seasons, even if one resulted in a World Series, is not enough. If I had the time and patience to come up with a point season, I would. But for quick shits and gigs: World Series win = 50 points World Series Appearance = 25 Points NLCS Appearance = 20 points Playoff Appearance (not counting Wildcard game, fuck that)= 15 points 90+ Win Season but no playoffs = 10 points 81-89 Win Season but no playoffs = 5 Points Rules are you can only receive one set of points per season...so you don't get all the points for winning the World Series in a season. You get 50. The Cubs, from 2016-2020, need to score at least...let's say... 90 points using this system for me to be "happy" with this rebuild. 70 points to be "content." And don't criticize it that much, I quickly whipped it together. I did not try every combination of end-season results to see if this is truly accurate to how I feel. But it should give you an idea. On this scale, from 2004 - 2008, the White Sox achieved an 80. World Series win is 50, Playoff Appearance is 15, 90+ win season is 10, and 83 win season is 5. EDIT: I'm still at the fucking office at 8:15 PM. Shit like this is why. lol. Thanks for finding this thread Frank. I had trouble finding it. This was the thread with my famous point system. EDIT: Theo was so ahead of schedule, I didn't even think to put 2015-2020.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:09 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote: leashyourkids wrote: So championships are all that matter? As long as you win two or more.

Author:	312player [ Mon Oct 16, 2017 2:10 pm ]
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No chance.