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Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:56 am ]
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Some big nuggets from Hahn as we look at 2021







Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:57 am ]
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Madrigal also had shoulder surgery and recovery is 5-6 months so he'll be limited in Spring Training

We have to remember that he played that last month of the season with a separated shoulder so the guy is a gamer. I'd have to think the pain may have negatively impacted his play too

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 11:58 am ]
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I think Vaughn at DH day 1 is an upgrade over Edwin. Guy was said to have a major league ready bat this year so I'm excited to see what he can do. Ceiling is Frank Thomas

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:14 pm ]
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They need another veteran SP, and perhaps a closer if Crochet or Bummer are not it.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:14 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think Vaughn at DH day 1 is an upgrade over Edwin. Guy was said to have a major league ready bat this year so I'm excited to see what he can do. Ceiling is Frank Thomas


If he's Frank Thomas they are gong to win the division by 15 games next year. It will be interesting to see what they do. If Bauer only wants a 1 year deal las it's been speculated it would be a no-brainer.

I wonder what they will do with Colome and McCann. Even if McCann isn't resigned they will need a defensive specialist. Grandal is not reliable. If Colome can be had on a one or two year deal I would do that. Don't want to have to rely on Bummer.

Author:  Bagels [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:16 pm ]
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someone with a pulse would be an upgrade over Edwin...

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:19 pm ]
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I would resign McCann and have him catch Giolito and Kopech 100% of the time.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:24 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would resign McCann and have him catch Giolito and Kopech 100% of the time.

McCann won't be back, especially with Vaughn likely to DH next year. He won't pass up the chance to be the guy somewhere else. Even if the Sox pay up, he wants to start.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:25 pm ]
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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think Vaughn at DH day 1 is an upgrade over Edwin. Guy was said to have a major league ready bat this year so I'm excited to see what he can do. Ceiling is Frank Thomas


If he's Frank Thomas they are gong to win the division by 15 games next year. It will be interesting to see what they do. If Bauer only wants a 1 year deal las it's been speculated it would be a no-brainer.

I wonder what they will do with Colome and McCann. Even if McCann isn't resigned they will need a defensive specialist. Grandal is not reliable. If Colome can be had on a one or two year deal I would do that. Don't want to have to rely on Bummer.

Bauer is serious about the 1 year deal thing so throw money at him and go for it. Jerry's big hang-up with pitchers is the long term deal and that's not a concern here.

Author:  Nardi [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:28 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
I would resign McCann and have him catch Giolito and Kopech 100% of the time.

McCann won't be back, especially with Vaughn likely to DH next year. He won't pass up the chance to be the guy somewhere else. Even if the Sox pay up, he wants to start.

I'm also in the camp that Vaughn needs to be in the lineup. Gotta let McCann go. Unless you trade Grandal which is fine by me.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:33 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I think Vaughn at DH day 1 is an upgrade over Edwin. Guy was said to have a major league ready bat this year so I'm excited to see what he can do. Ceiling is Frank Thomas


If he's Frank Thomas they are gong to win the division by 15 games next year. It will be interesting to see what they do. If Bauer only wants a 1 year deal las it's been speculated it would be a no-brainer.

I wonder what they will do with Colome and McCann. Even if McCann isn't resigned they will need a defensive specialist. Grandal is not reliable. If Colome can be had on a one or two year deal I would do that. Don't want to have to rely on Bummer.

Bauer is serious about the 1 year deal thing so throw money at him and go for it.


Giolito, Keuchel, Cease, Dunning and Kopech. They will need at least one other guy to eat innings. There are 3 question marks for sure, and Kuechel went down for a DL stint as well. I wonder if they are done with Lopez or if he sticks around as a bullpen arm.

What the market will be for McCann? He's in his ideal roll as a spot starter. His offensive failings are exposed if he starts everyday.

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 12:52 pm ]
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I don't want to go into game 3 of a playoff series again next year with nothing but hopes and prayers on the mound. Get a competent veteran starter, good enough to push Keuchel down to the #3 spot.

Let the young guys battle for 4-5 and let a diamond form from the pressure.

Cease needs a good kick in the ass in his career anyway.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:05 pm ]
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Good summary of the press conference. Crochet is fine apparently.


Author:  BigW72 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:07 pm ]
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As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:08 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
I don't want to go into game 3 of a playoff series again next year with nothing but hopes and prayers on the mound. Get a competent veteran starter, good enough to push Keuchel down to the #3 spot.

Let the young guys battle for 4-5 and let a diamond form from the pressure.

Cease needs a good kick in the ass in his career anyway.

That's where Bauer on a 1 year deal makes good sense. He's an ace on any team he pitches for.

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:09 pm ]
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Don Cooper will be 65 before the beginning of the season. He probably forced them to fire him rather than gracefully stepping away because he is an old, drunk prick.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:13 pm ]
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Narrative is building.


Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:15 pm ]
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BigW72 wrote:
As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.


Sox fans look like Cub fanboys with the fetishization of McCann. There are other competent defense first catchers out there.

We got the best of his career. He's going to disappoint anyone who gives him a 3+ year contract.

Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:16 pm ]
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Despite all the losses and regime changes, Kenny Williams gets to sit there and keep his job until death do he and JR depart

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:24 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Despite all the losses and regime changes, Kenny Williams gets to sit there and keep his job until death do he and JR depart

He's pretty powerless in that job at least as evidenced by his favorite snitch getting tossed aside.

Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:29 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Despite all the losses and regime changes, Kenny Williams gets to sit there and keep his job until death do he and JR depart

He's pretty powerless in that job at least as evidenced by his favorite snitch getting tossed aside.


Kenny got his World Series. It's allowed him to stick around for a decade of losing amid terrible planning and being an insufferable red-ass.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:38 pm ]
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One player has made his thoughts known on today's changes


Author:  BigW72 [ Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:44 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
BigW72 wrote:
As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.


Sox fans look like Cub fanboys with the fetishization of McCann. There are other competent defense first catchers out there.

We got the best of his career. He's going to disappoint anyone who gives him a 3+ year contract.

It's not a fetish with McCann....it's the fact that I don't want Grandal as the primary catcher. I want McCann or someone like him handling the pitching staff and preventing pass balls. I'm fine if it's someone else who has the same skillset.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:00 am ]
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Some interesting stuff from Hahn re Vaughn in the Athletic. Clearly they have him pegged as an every day DH/1B for next year and won't have to sign anyone for the role.



“If Andrew had had daily competition outside of what we’re able to do in Schaumburg, it would have been evident to everyone that he was ready for next year, if not sooner,” Hahn said. “That was just sort of a mild casualty of the pandemic. But the skills are there, tools continue to grow. He’s a remarkable hitter and real solid makeup and a guy we envision being part of this thing in the not too distant future.”

Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:38 am ]
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I wonder if Vaughn will strictly be a 1B/ DH or if they can get away with him at third base or left field for just a little while in case of a long extra-inning game or somebody is banged up.

Author:  Nardi [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:57 am ]
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good dolphin wrote:
BigW72 wrote:
As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.


Sox fans look like Cub fanboys with the fetishization of McCann. There are other competent defense first catchers out there.

We got the best of his career. He's going to disappoint anyone who gives him a 3+ year contract.

He's competent at the plate. Like a lot of veterans, he's going to mop up the below avg pitchers and get mopped up by the decent pitchers. But he's also streaky. He's going to fall completely off the table for a month, month and a half. IMO, he'd do well to either stay or go to a team with a really good lineup to surround himself with. I admit, I just LOVE him behind the plate. Totally fetishize him there. Giolito too. He barely credits himself. He constantly is sucking off McCann. I mean, what's it worth to keep an ace confident and relaxed?

Author:  BigW72 [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:04 am ]
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Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
BigW72 wrote:
As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.


Sox fans look like Cub fanboys with the fetishization of McCann. There are other competent defense first catchers out there.

We got the best of his career. He's going to disappoint anyone who gives him a 3+ year contract.

He's competent at the plate. Like a lot of veterans, he's going to mop up the below avg pitchers and get mopped up by the decent pitchers. But he's also streaky. He's going to fall completely off the table for a month, month and a half. IMO, he'd do well to either stay or go to a team with a really good lineup to surround himself with. I admit, I just LOVE him behind the plate. Totally fetishize him there. Giolito too. He barely credits himself. He constantly is sucking off McCann. I mean, what's it worth to keep an ace confident and relaxed?

I don't need my catcher to be the 3-5 hitter in my lineup. I need the catcher to call a good game and elevate the pitching staff to their best levels. Grandal does not do that, but he sure does hit. There's another team out there that could really benefit from Grandal's bat....the sox are in much more need of McCann's catching ability.

The Sox still need a veteran SP. I'm glad Kopech appears to want to play baseball again, but i don't trust him.....you go into 2021 and look at any contributions by Kopech as gravy.

RF is also still a problem. I don't want Mazara or EE anywhere near this team.

Author:  Nardi [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:08 am ]
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BigW72 wrote:
Nardi wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
BigW72 wrote:
As much as I like Grandal in the lineup, I'd seriously find a way to trade that contract and pay McCann.

THAT is the guy you want handling your pitching staff and defending home plate.


Sox fans look like Cub fanboys with the fetishization of McCann. There are other competent defense first catchers out there.

We got the best of his career. He's going to disappoint anyone who gives him a 3+ year contract.

He's competent at the plate. Like a lot of veterans, he's going to mop up the below avg pitchers and get mopped up by the decent pitchers. But he's also streaky. He's going to fall completely off the table for a month, month and a half. IMO, he'd do well to either stay or go to a team with a really good lineup to surround himself with. I admit, I just LOVE him behind the plate. Totally fetishize him there. Giolito too. He barely credits himself. He constantly is sucking off McCann. I mean, what's it worth to keep an ace confident and relaxed?

I don't need my catcher to be the 3-5 hitter in my lineup. I need the catcher to call a good game and elevate the pitching staff to their best levels. Grandal does not do that, but he sure does hit. There's another team out there that could really benefit from Grandal's bat....the sox are in much more need of McCann's catching ability.

The Sox still need a veteran SP. I'm glad Kopech appears to want to play baseball again, but i don't trust him.....you go into 2021 and look at any contributions by Kopech as gravy.

RF is also still a problem. I don't want Mazara or EE anywhere near this team.

I'm also on record for trading Grandal for pitching. Sign Springer for RF, and BAM, a dominating team for years.

Author:  This Ends in Antioch [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:03 pm ]
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I’ll go counter consensus here. I like Grandal for his plate discipline and being one of the few guys who doesn’t swing at anything he thinks may be in the zone. And Mazara...I’m torn. He’s been so remarkably consistent that I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a weird year. A guy with his production is fine in that OF.

I like McCann but he needs to go be an everyday catcher somewhere, and that’s just not here.

If they can somehow swing a short term deal for Bauer I’d do it irrespective of cost. They’re a starter or two away, with no telling how Crochet and Kopech (and Rodon and Dunning) play next year. IMO Bauer should be the singular focus in the off-season.

Author:  Chet Coppock's Fur Coat [ Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:33 pm ]
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Bauer would be perfect for this team, even on a two year deal instead of one. Let him start every fourth day most of the time as he wants, as long as Giolito always goes every five. I question if they are so far behind on stuff like Driveline, though, that Bauer would find that a deal breaker.

If Bauer does come to the White Sox, whoever has the radio rights needs to give Bauer and Anderson an hour long show together weekly.

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