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Baseball hasn’t changed that much in 10 years to the point where LaRussa wouldn’t be a good manager anymore . That’s ridiculous .

The game has changed though and I don’t think he’s the same quality of manager as he was back in the day. It’s Lou Piniella redux.

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Baseball hasn’t changed that much in 10 years to the point where LaRussa wouldn’t be a good manager anymore . That’s ridiculous .

Is he a bad manager after 10 years away from the game? No

Is he one of the best managers still after 10 years away from a game? Also no

That's the problem with the hire. Sox should've been looking for someone who was at the top of his game still. Sure Tony is better than 15-20 other managers out there, but the Sox needed someone who was elite in 2021.

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Of the guys that were out there last year and got hired, who was better than LaRussa? The guy who were at their peak were already managing.

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Of the guys that were out there last year and got hired, who was better than LaRussa? The guy who were at their peak were already managing.

trade for one then

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um AJ Hinch? He got 77 wins out of a AAA team.


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um AJ Hinch? He got 77 wins out of a AAA team.

He’d have muted Sox fans’ ability to blame losing to Houston on garbage cans.

It’d be like the GOP nominating Romney during an election where the animating issue was healthcare reform.

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He (Hinch) was clearly the most qualified, available hire.


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He (Hinch) was clearly the most qualified, available hire.


I hate to agree with a troll, but you're right. That being said, LaRussa is better than Renteria and Ventura (who, next to Bevington is the worst manager they've had in the past 40 years).


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That being said, LaRussa is better than Renteria


Not by any tangible metric.

2020 "Raw Deal" Renteria > 2021 Tony LaRussa

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That being said, LaRussa is better than Renteria


Not by any tangible metric.

2020 "Raw Deal" Renteria > 2021 Tony LaRussa

My blood pressure was a tangible metric.


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That being said, LaRussa is better than Renteria


Not by any tangible metric.

2020 "Raw Deal" Renteria > 2021 Tony LaRussa

My blood pressure was a tangible metric.

Carlos Rodon thrown under duress was way different last year.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nardi wrote:
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That being said, LaRussa is better than Renteria


Not by any tangible metric.

2020 "Raw Deal" Renteria > 2021 Tony LaRussa

My blood pressure was a tangible metric.

Carlos Rodon thrown under duress was way different last year.



That was probably the thing that got Raw Deal fired.

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If Tony is the manager in '22 the Sox will be behind the 8 ball a lot with his lapses, and questionable moves. That's a shame for a team on the up. Watched a lot of Schildt. He'd be a good fit as the Sox manager. Hopefully the Sox window will be longer than Theo's-Cubs. Hahn has to let Kimbrel be his last bonehead move.


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He's back. No longer an if.

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He's back. No longer an if.

TA and Pito both sung his praises in exit interviews for the season so yep he's back

I'd honestly love to grab Shildt, who Tony literally called the best manager in baseball when asked about him in May.

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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.

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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.

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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.

Kopech wasn’t exactly lights out down the stretch and showed as much in G4.

And that was in a park where the astros weren’t relentlessly cheating…probably.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Nas wrote:
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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.

Kopech wasn’t exactly lights out down the stretch and showed as much in G4.

And that was in a park where the astros weren’t relentlessly cheating…probably.


They were outscored 31 to 18 for the series. That is a complete and total failure on the part of the players. There was not one phase of the game (starting pitching, relief pitching, hitting, base running, and defense) in which the players' performance was above average. Tony could have managed everything flawlessly and the outcome of the series would not have changed.


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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.

Kopech wasn’t exactly lights out down the stretch and showed as much in G4.

And that was in a park where the astros weren’t relentlessly cheating…probably.


They were outscored 31 to 18 for the series. That is a complete and total failure on the part of the players. There was not one phase of the game (starting pitching, relief pitching, hitting, base running, and defense) in which the players' performance was above average. Tony could have managed everything flawlessly and the outcome of the series would not have changed.


It's not surprising that they were outscored when TLR put the pitchers in a position to fail. Stevie Wonder could see that.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.

Kopech wasn’t exactly lights out down the stretch and showed as much in G4.

And that was in a park where the astros weren’t relentlessly cheating…probably.


They were outscored 31 to 18 for the series. That is a complete and total failure on the part of the players. There was not one phase of the game (starting pitching, relief pitching, hitting, base running, and defense) in which the players' performance was above average. Tony could have managed everything flawlessly and the outcome of the series would not have changed.


It's not surprising that they were outscored when TLR put the pitchers in a position to fail. Stevie Wonder could see that.


All of the starting pitchers were bad. If you start Lynn in Game 2 instead of Game 1, I think you get the same result. Also, virtually no one was talking about starting Cease or Rodon ahead of Lynn or Gioltio. Therefore, rejiggering the order in that respect was not an option. We also saw the same garbage from the bullpen that we've seen all year. Further, TLR's managing doesn't account for the lack of offense.

I would like it if you were right, and fixing the problems with this team would be as simple as fixing the manager, but I don't think you're right. Either everyone just randomly had a bad series, in which case the next playoff series could have a different outcome, or they have assembled a team of guys who don't play well in the bright lights. Time will tell which of these scenarios is correct.


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Nas wrote:
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I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.


Lets take a look at the better option Kopech's postseason.
3 IP 7H 6ER ERA of 18.

Stop posting about baseball if youre going to have moronic thoughts . We already have whistler.

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I can't believe one Sox fan here wanted TLR as their first choice to manage the Sox in '21 when his name surfaced. He just got out managed by imbecile Dusty Baker.


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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
I'm fine with TLR, but his use of the pitching staff in the playoffs was questionable at best. He put guys in situations where they had shown that they were likely to fail.

at the end of the day, his starters couldn't get outs so I'm not putting that on Tony.


I am. Lynn shouldn't have been the Game 1 starter. There should not have been a gut or any data that said that was a good idea. Zeus gave TLR the chance to completely avoid Rodon, because Rodon was literally focused on getting paid in the off-season, but TLR knew better. Crochet showed that the moment was too big for him in Game 1. What does TLR do in a winnable Game 2? Run him out there again when Kopech was fresh and a better option.

When you put your team in the best position to fail, I'm not going to place the lion's share of the blame on the players when that happens.


Lets take a look at the better option Kopech's postseason.
3 IP 7H 6ER ERA of 18.

Stop posting about baseball if youre going to have moronic thoughts . We already have whistler.


Throwing Kopech out there when the series was virtually over means that he would have struggled just like Crochet did in a winnable Game 2?

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