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Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:32 pm ]
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WTF?
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:32 pm ]
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what the fuck man
Author:  Bagels [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:32 pm ]
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huh ?
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:33 pm ]
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viewtopic.php?f=32&t=125954


Frank Coztansa wrote:
Wow.

Madrigal being hurt is a huge question mark, but he really looked like a player before he ripped up his hamstring.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:35 pm ]
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Not a trade I would make. Madrigal, man, that’s a lot.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:36 pm ]
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Hoyer got fleeced.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:37 pm ]
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Well, you're really going for it.

Let's hope it works out for you.
Author:  Cashman [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:37 pm ]
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I like it. Could of been worse. Kimbrel has another year left.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:38 pm ]
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Agree, Dr. If the Sox win it all this year, I don't care if Nicky Two Strikes ends up in the HOF.


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Not a trade I would make. Madrigal, man, that’s a lot.
He's rehabbing a torn hamstring. Obviously its a giant question mark. If he comes back to form, yeah could be a bad trade for the Sox. If he doesn't, then the Sox gave up a middling reliever for a pretty good closer.
Author:  RFDC [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:40 pm ]
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Both sides are rolling the dice on this. And I think it is the right move for both teams. The Sox absolutely should go all in on winning this year.

If the Cubs got a couple prospects in the minors they would be rolling the dice, at least with this the guy has shown even in a small sample size that he can hit at the MLB level.
Author:  Cashman [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:40 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Agree, Dr. If the Sox win it all this year, I don't care if Nicky Two Strikes ends up in the HOF.


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Not a trade I would make. Madrigal, man, that’s a lot.
He's rehabbing a torn hamstring. Obviously its a giant question mark. If he comes back to form, yeah could be a bad trade for the Sox. If he doesn't, then the Sox gave up a middling reliever for a pretty good closer.


Do you think any Cubs fan regrets them trading for Chapman and what they gave up?
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:41 pm ]
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I know they didn't intend it but it makes yesterday's trade contextual. Hernandez has a fairly low option for next year and he will be their starting 2b.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:44 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Both sides are rolling the dice on this. And I think it is the right move for both teams. The Sox absolutely should go all in on winning this year.

If the Cubs got a couple prospects in the minors they would be rolling the dice, at least with this the guy has shown even in a small sample size that he can hit at the MLB level.


I agree with you in within your context.

Playoff games are not six innings, with Kopech, Kimbrell and Hendriks taking it from there. That doesn't even account for Tepera and Crochet.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:46 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Both sides are rolling the dice on this. And I think it is the right move for both teams. The Sox absolutely should go all in on winning this year.

If the Cubs got a couple prospects in the minors they would be rolling the dice, at least with this the guy has shown even in a small sample size that he can hit at the MLB level.

Not much of a dice roll for the Cubs. Kind of a no brainer
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:47 pm ]
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Cashman wrote:
Do you think any Cubs fan regrets them trading for Chapman and what they gave up?
Yeah, the dumbfuck ones. I know this implies that there are smart Cubs fans, but they won it all and Chapman was a big part of that. You have to give something to get something.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:48 pm ]
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From the other thread;
Peoria Matt wrote:
I hope this isn't true

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:50 pm ]
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Good trade, Madrigal became expendable the minute the Sox got a better 2B yesterday who is signed through next year.

Hernandez is better than Madrigal straight up so I'm perfectly fine with trading him and Heuer didn't do the job this year.

Hahn is taking advantage of the Kim Foxx crime wave and just robbing the Cubs blind :lol:
Author:  Nardi [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:51 pm ]
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Midget was fun because he put the bat on the ball. But if Kimbrel is indeed right, and I mean, RIGHT, the trade is good.

Is he right?
Author:  Nas [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:51 pm ]
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Closers struggle when they aren't closing. There is no need to potentially ruin Hendriks after giving him $19M a year.

I really like Hernandez a lot so I don't have a huge issue with losing Madrigal.
Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:52 pm ]
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Nardi wrote:
Midget was fun because he put the bat on the ball. But if Kimbrel is indeed right, and I mean, RIGHT, the trade is good.

Is he right?

If we didn't have Hernandez next year, my opinion on this trade is different, but since we have him, Midget had to go.
Author:  FrankDrebin [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:52 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
I know they didn't intend it but it makes yesterday's trade contextual. Hernandez has a fairly low option for next year and he will be their starting 2b.


Great trade. Opportunity to win is this year with the pitching staff as is, plus you can have Kimbrel and Hernandez next year as well.
Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm ]
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Nardi wrote:
Midget was fun because he put the bat on the ball. But if Kimbrel is indeed right, and I mean, RIGHT, the trade is good.

Is he right?


He's shown recent cracks, but mostly great.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm ]
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Madrigal has hit from day one just about, but he's also played poor defense at times and runs the bases like a little leaguer.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Hernandez is better than Madrigal straight up

This is almost certainly wrong.
Author:  FavreFan [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Madrigal has hit from day one just about, but he's also played poor defense at times and runs the bases like a little leaguer.

He was getting better in the field and on the bases prior to his injury
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:55 pm ]
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He was getting better in the field, but still bad on the bases. Not quite as egregious as last year, but bad. Remember, his poor defense probably cost them game 2 in Oakland last year and a trip to the ALDS.

I like Nicky Two Strikes and wish him luck. But Kimbrel immediately improves the bullpen and the Sox have Hernandez at 2B for next year.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:57 pm ]
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Agree, Dr. If the Sox win it all this year, I don't care if Nicky Two Strikes ends up in the HOF.


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Not a trade I would make. Madrigal, man, that’s a lot.
He's rehabbing a torn hamstring. Obviously its a giant question mark. If he comes back to form, yeah could be a bad trade for the Sox. If he doesn't, then the Sox gave up a middling reliever for a pretty good closer.


That's the only reason I'm not furious. Madrigal has to hit over .300 to have any value, probably closer to .320. If he loses just a quarter step that hurts him a lot.
Author:  Nardi [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:59 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Madrigal has hit from day one just about, but he's also played poor defense at times and runs the bases like a little leaguer.

He was getting better in the field and on the bases prior to his injury

About a month before the injury, it seemed to me the light bulb went on in just about all phases. He was even hitting with a bit of power.

Even so, it's a no brainer trade if Kimbrel is Kimbrel.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:59 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Closers struggle when they aren't closing. There is no need to potentially ruin Hendriks after giving him $19M a year.

I really like Hernandez a lot so I don't have a huge issue with losing Madrigal.


Larussa loves to run Hendriks out there for two inning saves. This allows him to do so with confidence
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:00 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Agree, Dr. If the Sox win it all this year, I don't care if Nicky Two Strikes ends up in the HOF.


WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Not a trade I would make. Madrigal, man, that’s a lot.
He's rehabbing a torn hamstring. Obviously its a giant question mark. If he comes back to form, yeah could be a bad trade for the Sox. If he doesn't, then the Sox gave up a middling reliever for a pretty good closer.


That's the only reason I'm not furious. Madrigal has to hit over .300 to have any value, probably closer to .320. If he loses just a quarter step that hurts him a lot.
You have to admit, trading FOR a guy that's out for the season with a hammy is what you would expect the White Sox to do
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