It is currently Wed May 01, 2024 7:42 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 79 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:05 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80202
I don't think this should be a reward for season long production. It should be a snapshot of who is going best right now combined with analytical analysis of optimal matches. My rotation would be as follows:

Giolito- he's rolling right now and pitched great in his previous playoff appearance. He is the guy out of anyone on the staff who could give you seven and hand it off to Kimbrel and Hendriks. I think he has decent numbers against the astros and he's the healthiest pitcher to turn around and pitch a game 5.
Rodon- if he isn't fatigued, he's been their best pitcher this year. Let him give you what he has and have Kopech at the ready for a two inning effort
Cease (lynn if down 0-2)- probably the most consistent pitcher this season and been really good lately. He pitches particularly well at home, so you have to hold him for a home start.
Lynn- if down 0-2, I want him going in game 3 as a firewall. If not, he is great both at home and on long rest. This provides both and I think you can bank on a strong performance from him in a critical game

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:15 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Your rotation makes sense but I'm guessing LaRussa goes with Lynn in the first game.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:16 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55832
I dont see any way in the world that Lynn is not game 1 starter. Dude is a warrior and you want him securing game 1.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:18 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
RFDC wrote:
I dont see any way in the world that Lynn is not game 1 starter. Dude is a warrior and you want him securing game 1.



Except that he's obviously not 100%. I don't want to be reading a story about how tough he is to gut out a bad back and a gimpy knee after the Sox are down 0-1.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55832
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I dont see any way in the world that Lynn is not game 1 starter. Dude is a warrior and you want him securing game 1.



Except that he's obviously not 100%. I don't want to be reading a story about how tough he is to gut out a bad back and a gimpy knee after the Sox are down 0-1.

If he is too injured to pitch game 1, then he probably shouldn't be pitching at all in a series. I would want him going game 1 if he is even close to ready.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:05 pm
Posts: 20531
pizza_Place: Pizanos
Being a fat guy is all fun & games til you develop a bad back and knee issues.

_________________
Peter Clavin wrote:
Because you are stupid, maybe read some books educate yourself.
Nardi wrote:
We walk, talk, and won't shit our pants


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:45 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
RFDC wrote:
I dont see any way in the world that Lynn is not game 1 starter. Dude is a warrior and you want him securing game 1.



Except that he's obviously not 100%. I don't want to be reading a story about how tough he is to gut out a bad back and a gimpy knee after the Sox are down 0-1.

If he is too injured to pitch game 1, then he probably shouldn't be pitching at all in a series. I would want him going game 1 if he is even close to ready.



The thing is, a guy like that will never tell you he can't take the ball. And then it's 4-0 in the third inning and after the game LaRussa is mumbling excuses like "At this time of the year a lot of guys are beat up. Lance gave us all he had."

He isn't too hurt too pitch. But I think a bunch of extra time will help him. He may not pitch again in the regular season. So that's something.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80202
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:55 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55832
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:58 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80202
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2


I'm not. Giolito puts them in the best chance to win Game 1. Rodon has been better than Lynn as well, as long as he is healthy.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:59 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55832
good dolphin wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2


I'm not. Giolito puts them in the best chance to win Game 1. Rodon has been better than Lynn as well, as long as he is healthy.

I would be more worried about Rodon's health than Lynn.

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2018 9:19 pm
Posts: 28647
pizza_Place: What??
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2


I'm not. Giolito puts them in the best chance to win Game 1. Rodon has been better than Lynn as well, as long as he is healthy.

I would be more worried about Rodon's health than Lynn.

Rodon's stuff was awful last outing.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:30 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2


I'm not. Giolito puts them in the best chance to win Game 1. Rodon has been better than Lynn as well, as long as he is healthy.

I would be more worried about Rodon's health than Lynn.


I agree.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:31 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Nardi wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
He isn't their best pitcher right now. He hasn't fared well in houston. He is fantastic on longer rest and terrible on short rest (not that short rest will come into play).

I want Lynn optimized and Game 1 is not optimal for him. Game 3 may be just as critical as Game 1.


Lynn and Giolito give you the best chance of winning games 1 and 2. You really shouldn't be planning your rotation on the possibility of being down 0-2


I'm not. Giolito puts them in the best chance to win Game 1. Rodon has been better than Lynn as well, as long as he is healthy.

I would be more worried about Rodon's health than Lynn.

Rodon's stuff was awful last outing.



Was it though? Wasn't that the game where he got a lot of weak contact and they kept dropping the ball?

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:36 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101904
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Lynn has been there before. He is a beast. He goes game 1 unless health says he misses the DS

Giolito game 2

Cease pitches at home in game 3

Rodon/Lopez with Kopech ready to come in at a moment's notice for game 4.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:37 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:06 pm
Posts: 77179
pizza_Place: 773-684-2222
Giolito- is pitching well and I'm not sure if he's mentally tough enough to be reliable if the Sox are down 0-1
Lynn- Has been the best pitcher most of the year and he's the guy that you want having the ball on the road in any must win game.
Cease- you want the kid to be comfortable. Pitching at home is the best spot for him.
Rodon- More rest to be right

_________________
Nas: Blago, who has single handedly destroyed CFMB?

Blago: https://youtube.com/shorts/Lftdxd-YXt8?feature=share

"You can’t love your country only when you win." -President Biden

https://youtu.be/R6e4ruziZBI?si=1G4W1vbh0eGQuHfU


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:39 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68609
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Giolito
Lynn
Rodon if healthy
Cease

If Rodon isn't healthy, Cease goes game 3 and then Lopez/Keuchel/bullpen in game 4

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:45 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Giolito
Lynn
Rodon if healthy
Cease

If Rodon isn't healthy, Cease goes game 3 and then Lopez/Keuchel/bullpen in game 4



That's how I'd do it. It will probably be that but with Lynn and Giolito switched. Game 4 is a home game, right?

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:15 am
Posts: 27591
pizza_Place: nick n vito's
I'd go lynn, giolito,rodon, cease.. keuchel wouldn't make the roster.

_________________
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:56 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:05 pm
Posts: 68609
pizza_Place: Lina's Pizza
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Giolito
Lynn
Rodon if healthy
Cease

If Rodon isn't healthy, Cease goes game 3 and then Lopez/Keuchel/bullpen in game 4



That's how I'd do it. It will probably be that but with Lynn and Giolito switched. Game 4 is a home game, right?


Yeah I'm pretty sure it is.

_________________
The Hawk wrote:
There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:06 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19521
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Rodon was screwed by the defense last time out. He still struck out six in three innings. He has the best stuff on the staff. If you can get 100 pitches out of him it would be great. He was the only one to look good at Houston this year. Giolito has had success there in the past though.

They can't go down 0-2. And I think they have to win the first game or it will spiral. They play better as front-runners.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:17 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101904
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Giolito
Lynn
Rodon if healthy
Cease

If Rodon isn't healthy, Cease goes game 3 and then Lopez/Keuchel/bullpen in game 4



That's how I'd do it. It will probably be that but with Lynn and Giolito switched. Game 4 is a home game, right?


Yeah I'm pretty sure it is.
Yes.
2@HOU
2@CWS
1@HOU

No scheduled off days for the ALDS, and obviously Houston will not have any rain out

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80202
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Giolito
Lynn
Rodon if healthy
Cease

If Rodon isn't healthy, Cease goes game 3 and then Lopez/Keuchel/bullpen in game 4



That's how I'd do it. It will probably be that but with Lynn and Giolito switched. Game 4 is a home game, right?


No. Game 4 will be a road game to open the ALCS.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm
Posts: 80202
312player wrote:
I'd go lynn, giolito,rodon, cease.. keuchel wouldn't make the roster.


after reading Larussa's latest assessment, I'm not sure Rodon will even be available for the playoffs.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:38 am 
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:00 am
Posts: 77066
Location: Chicago Heights
pizza_Place: Aurelio's
good dolphin wrote:
312player wrote:
I'd go lynn, giolito,rodon, cease.. keuchel wouldn't make the roster.


after reading Larussa's latest assessment, I'm not sure Rodon will even be available for the playoffs.



There are rumors that Boras is insisting he not pitch.

_________________
Communists are just people who are terrible at capitalism.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 10573
Location: Lindenhurst
pizza_Place: 1. Aurelio's 2. Pizano's
Assuming all healthy...
My rotation.
1. Gio
2. Rodon
3. Lynn.

Tony's likely rotation
1. Lynn
2. Rodon
3. Gio.

If the wheels fall off Cease is the guy that has to be ready. He's earned a starting spot, but I just don't see Tony starting Cease in games 1-3. They're going to need him...one of the 3 starters is likely to struggle.

_________________
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
brick (/brik/) verb
1. block or enclose with a wall of bricks
2. Proper response would be to ask an endless series of follow ups until the person regrets having spoken to you in the first place.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:41 am 
Offline
100000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:17 pm
Posts: 101904
pizza_Place: Vito & Nick's
Risky. If Rodon is not healthy that is one thing. But if he is healthy and goes out and has great games in the playoffs, his contract could easily go up by 10 or 20 million every start he takes in October.

_________________
ltg wrote:
[Fields will] be the starting QB on an NFL roster at the start of next season. Book It!
Caller Bob wrote:
There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:41 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 55832
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
312player wrote:
I'd go lynn, giolito,rodon, cease.. keuchel wouldn't make the roster.


after reading Larussa's latest assessment, I'm not sure Rodon will even be available for the playoffs.



There are rumors that Boras is insisting he not pitch.

Really? That is BS

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:47 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:39 pm
Posts: 19521
pizza_Place: Lou Malnati's
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
312player wrote:
I'd go lynn, giolito,rodon, cease.. keuchel wouldn't make the roster.


after reading Larussa's latest assessment, I'm not sure Rodon will even be available for the playoffs.



There are rumors that Boras is insisting he not pitch.


If he has to sit for the playoffs how much is he worth? He had to be babied all season to make it to September. If they were in an actual playoff race he would have been a liability. Lopez was such a luxury and a pleasant surprise. He bailed them out repeatedly throughout the second half.

_________________
Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

The Missing Link wrote:
For instance they were never taught that Columbus was a slave owner.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Playoff Rotation
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:35 pm
Posts: 10573
Location: Lindenhurst
pizza_Place: 1. Aurelio's 2. Pizano's
I don't believe that for a second. The only way Boras would have Rodon not pitch is if there was something wrong with him.

_________________
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
brick (/brik/) verb
1. block or enclose with a wall of bricks
2. Proper response would be to ask an endless series of follow ups until the person regrets having spoken to you in the first place.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 79 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group