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If you are going to keep Cease then why would you trade Santos?


Relievers are an incredibly fickle bunch. Santos is probably at peak value and could be mediocre or bad next year. Also, having a good relief pitcher on this team is like owning a Ferrari and living on a dirt road.

They got two guys for Santos who could be contributors in 2025, when they actually have a chance at competing, plus a high draft pick. If they keep Cease, they will also have him in 2025.

We've seen what a full rebuild looks like, it's three years of losing and no guarantee of success. As far as I'm concerned, they can middle it.

Santos is 23 and with his profile it should be nothing but upside barring injury. It isn't like Seattle got hosed.


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If you are going to keep Cease then why would you trade Santos?


Relievers are an incredibly fickle bunch. Santos is probably at peak value and could be mediocre or bad next year. Also, having a good relief pitcher on this team is like owning a Ferrari and living on a dirt road.

They got two guys for Santos who could be contributors in 2025, when they actually have a chance at competing, plus a high draft pick. If they keep Cease, they will also have him in 2025.

We've seen what a full rebuild looks like, it's three years of losing and no guarantee of success. As far as I'm concerned, they can middle it.

Santos is 23 and with his profile it should be nothing but upside barring injury. It isn't like Seattle got hosed.


It's a lot easier to develop a decent reliever than it is to develop a decent starter. I'm okay trading relievers at this point, I'm not okay trading starters.


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Warren Newson wrote:
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If you are going to keep Cease then why would you trade Santos?


Relievers are an incredibly fickle bunch. Santos is probably at peak value and could be mediocre or bad next year. Also, having a good relief pitcher on this team is like owning a Ferrari and living on a dirt road.

They got two guys for Santos who could be contributors in 2025, when they actually have a chance at competing, plus a high draft pick. If they keep Cease, they will also have him in 2025.

We've seen what a full rebuild looks like, it's three years of losing and no guarantee of success. As far as I'm concerned, they can middle it.

Santos is 23 and with his profile it should be nothing but upside barring injury. It isn't like Seattle got hosed.


It's a lot easier to develop a decent reliever than it is to develop a decent starter. I'm okay trading relievers at this point, I'm not okay trading starters.

It's easy to develop a starter but MLB won't do it via pitch count and micro managing.


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Sox players traded away have to be ecstatic to get away from Jerry's trainwreck.


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Sox players traded away have to be ecstatic to get away from Jerry's trainwreck.


Especially if you are a pitcher.


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I don't mind what he's doing, but we shouldn't (or moreso Getz) pretend that this team is built to win this year. A few of these guys could become contributors (for cheap) in 2025 +. That makes sense - get some solid prospects from other organizations, keep adding depth/options to improve your own. The current rotation is awful and the hitting is going to be challenged....It's probably going to be a 100 loss season, but maybe there is some hope for the future.


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Calling the White Sox a "major league" baseball team is generous at this point.


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Just sign Bauer, even a lowball offer. "You want to pitch in the bigs again? Here is our offer. If this is not suitable for you, we wish you continued success in Japan."

Then go all in with the Mike Veeck type promotions. If you aren't going to be serious and make even a feeble attempt at winning, might as well have some fun losing 90-95+ games

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Just sign Bauer, even a lowball offer. "You want to pitch in the bigs again? Here is our offer. If this is not suitable for you, we wish you continued success in Japan."

Then go all in with the Mike Veeck type promotions. If you aren't going to be serious and make even a feeble attempt at winning, might as well have some fun losing 90-95+ games


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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.

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Funny how the articles all mention his 49 stolen bases, but not his 15 caught stealings, which more than nullify the steals. His base stealing cost them runs statistically.

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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.


It's certainly a gamble. But small market teams (and the White Sox) have to do stuff like this to keep guys past 27 years old.
He's definitely better than anyone the White Sox have on their roster currently.


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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.


It's certainly a gamble. But small market teams (and the White Sox) have to do stuff like this to keep guys past 27 years old.
He's definitely better than anyone the White Sox have on their roster currently.

Healthy LouBob is very good.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.


It's certainly a gamble. But small market teams (and the White Sox) have to do stuff like this to keep guys past 27 years old.
He's definitely better than anyone the White Sox have on their roster currently.

Healthy LouBob is very good.


Right. A healthy luis Robert. Like a healthy eloy jimenez. Or a healthy yoan moncada. We all know better.
Witt has played 2 years. Showed significant improvement from year to year and from the first to the second half of this past season. And at only 23 years old, he can end up being a thorn in the side of the white Sox for the next decade.

I usually get excited every year the baseball season starts up. But this team is really tough to get behind.


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When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


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When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:

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WestmontMike wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
WestmontMike wrote:
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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.


It's certainly a gamble. But small market teams (and the White Sox) have to do stuff like this to keep guys past 27 years old.
He's definitely better than anyone the White Sox have on their roster currently.

Healthy LouBob is very good.


Right. A healthy luis Robert. Like a healthy eloy jimenez. Or a healthy yoan moncada. We all know better.
Witt has played 2 years. Showed significant improvement from year to year and from the first to the second half of this past season. And at only 23 years old, he can end up being a thorn in the side of the white Sox for the next decade.

I usually get excited every year the baseball season starts up. But this team is really tough to get behind.


Robert played in 146 games last year and 56 out of 60 games in 2020.

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Jaw Breaker wrote:
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When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:


For the right player he would. Different sport, but he was willing to pay Kobe and give the Lakers whatever they wanted. He got directly involved in negotiations. I have no problem with his reluctance to overpay good to mediocre players. Particularly pitchers.

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Gotta be out of your mind to pay starting pitching. 90% of managers won't pitch them, especially in the playoffs.


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WestmontMike wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.


It's certainly a gamble. But small market teams (and the White Sox) have to do stuff like this to keep guys past 27 years old.
He's definitely better than anyone the White Sox have on their roster currently.

Healthy LouBob is very good.


Right. A healthy luis Robert. Like a healthy eloy jimenez. Or a healthy yoan moncada. We all know better.
Witt has played 2 years. Showed significant improvement from year to year and from the first to the second half of this past season. And at only 23 years old, he can end up being a thorn in the side of the white Sox for the next decade.

I usually get excited every year the baseball season starts up. But this team is really tough to get behind.


It was a gamble they were wise to take, but it is still a gamble. He's had one good year and can easily regress. We've seen that happen on both sides of town.


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Nas wrote:
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Juiced wrote:
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They should be grateful the As exist.


When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:


For the right player he would. Different sport, but he was willing to pay Kobe and give the Lakers whatever they wanted. He got directly involved in negotiations. I have no problem with his reluctance to overpay good to mediocre players. Particularly pitchers.


Machado was that guy and Harper immediately after. The butterfly effect on that move is astounding.

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Nas wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
They should be grateful the As exist.


When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:


For the right player he would. Different sport, but he was willing to pay Kobe and give the Lakers whatever they wanted. He got directly involved in negotiations. I have no problem with his reluctance to overpay good to mediocre players. Particularly pitchers.


Machado was that guy and Harper immediately after. The butterfly effect on that move is astounding.


I don't think it makes a difference because the entire team fell off a clif. I didn't want Harper.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Juiced wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
They should be grateful the As exist.


When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:


For the right player he would. Different sport, but he was willing to pay Kobe and give the Lakers whatever they wanted. He got directly involved in negotiations. I have no problem with his reluctance to overpay good to mediocre players. Particularly pitchers.


Machado was that guy and Harper immediately after. The butterfly effect on that move is astounding.


I don't think it makes a difference because the entire team fell off a clif. I didn't want Harper.



I think Harper was the right fit, the lefthanded bat that they really needed. But who knows how that would have played out.

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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Juiced wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
They should be grateful the As exist.


When the A's move to Las Vegas then the Sox will be the only team to not sign a 100MIL contract. :lol:


After Albert Belle, Reinsdorf said Never Again! :lol:


For the right player he would. Different sport, but he was willing to pay Kobe and give the Lakers whatever they wanted. He got directly involved in negotiations. I have no problem with his reluctance to overpay good to mediocre players. Particularly pitchers.


Machado was that guy and Harper immediately after. The butterfly effect on that move is astounding.


No, he really wasn't.

And I doubt that he ever will be.

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The Witt contract seems like a big overpay. His career OBP is .307. Nice player overall, but $288m? He doesn't seem like the kind of player who's going to become a monster.

Yes, it's more than three times as much as the biggest Sox contract ever...but also $100m more than the Cubs all-time biggest contract.

The Witt contract has three parts: a 7-year base, a 2-year player option, and then if he executes the player option the Royals can tack on a 3-year team option at the end.

The odds of it running all the way to the end are very low. Most likely it goes 7 years if he learns to take a walk, 9 if he doesn't or he has a massive lower body injury which affects his defense and speed.

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I think Harper was the right fit, the lefthanded bat that they really needed. But who knows how that would have played out.


I believed the Nationals immediately winning the World Series, with the same roster, was proof he wasn't worth it. Him pissing his pants in Dusty's World Series kinda validates that for me. His injuries will pile up the rest of the way.

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I think Harper was the right fit, the lefthanded bat that they really needed. But who knows how that would have played out.


I believed the Nationals immediately winning the World Series, with the same roster, was proof he wasn't worth it. Him pissing his pants in Dusty's World Series kinda validates that for me. His injuries will pile up the rest of the way.


I was on board with getting Harper; young, left-handed power, gets on base. Exactly what they need.
And the contract he ended up signing isn't crazy money either. Probably would get injured every week and stop taking walks to fit in with the rest of the ball club, but who knows.
This organization, by their own admission, doesn't try to win. So I shouldn't be surprised when no effort is put forth and no risk is taken to acquire elite talent.


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