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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:14 am 
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Oh, yeah. I'm sure it was much easier to for the hitters to hit on a cold, rainy afternoon in April than it was on a sunny, 80 degree day in July :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:22 am 
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Regardless, it was cold and rainy when Wood pitched.

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:36 am 
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Regardless, it was cold and rainy when Wood pitched.

and regardless of weather no one was touching those 5 foot breaking, arm destoying sliders.


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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:59 pm 
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But one of those 5 foot breakers hit a batter, which made Kerry less than perfect :P

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:21 pm 
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Buehrle pitched a perfect game. Wood never even had a No-Hitter....but, which pitcher in his prime was most dominant? No question, it's Wood. But in things like a no hitter, or a perfect game especially, there is always going to be an element of luck. Did the wind keep a fly ball in the park? Did the umpire give the pitcher a generous strike zone? Did the defense come up with one or more spectacular plays? Thats why a no hitter or perfect game, really should be thought of as a team award, not just something a pitcher accomplishes. Wood did a lot more of the work in his 20 strikeout performance, as the defense (other than the catcher) was not even involved in 20 of the 27 outs. But while Wood did more of the heavy lifting in his game, he also made at least 1 mistake-in hitting a batter. The play Orie was unable to make, was a play many, even most, good 3rd basemen make. But it wasn't routine either. I was at Zambrano's no hitter last year in Milwaukee and it was fun to watch him dominate the Astro hitters, but he wasn't near as good as Wood was in the performance being discussed here either. Of all the games I have ever seen, I think Wood's was the best. No, it wasn't perfect. Wasn't even a no hitter, but unlike Buehrle's perfecto, there wasn't 1 ball hit well all day. Those Houston hitters were lucky to just get a piece of the ball that day.

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Wood never even had a No-Hitter....but, which pitcher in his prime was most dominant? No question, it's Wood.

If you are talking about a season then I disagree.
Kerry Wood's best season: 3.20 ERA going 14-11.
Mark Buehrles best season: 3.12 ERA going 16-8 in a ball park regarded as more difficult to pitch in and a league that scores more runs in general.

People are confusing most dominant with most impressive looking. Domination is the ability to consistently best your opponent. I don't think style points matter. Results do.

I won't argue that Wood was more impressive to watch in person but he wasn't as good at getting people out as Mark is/was.

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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Yeah I never really thought Wood "dominant". To me dominant is a guy that strikes fear into an opposing team when they see him on the schedule, like a Big Unit or Pedro. Wood was kind of guy that you thought could through a gem, or equally likely you could get a few knocks or dongs off him with the high cheese.

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1998 Wrigley Field has a has a higher Park Rating than 2009 Cellular, meaning it's easier to hit there, this would have more than made up for the distance difference.

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What the fuck is park rating?!! He's using numbers!!! he's a witch burn him!!!!


I'm happy to start building the fire unless a coherent explanation of "Park Rating" is expressed shortly. All I know is that it better include factors such as climate and weather, and a metric shit-ton of "math" (generally speaking).

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:08 pm 
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You can watch Wood's 20 K on this DVD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... currefilA/

Oh and someone said that he was clocked at 100 MPH in that game.

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How fast were the pitches he gave up a baseunner on?

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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What Mark Buerle has accomplished is incredible. To retire 45 in a row!
I'm a Cub's fan, but a tip of the cap to Mark! If I had to choose,20 k's
or 45 in a row retired batters by a STARTER,I'll go with what Mark did.

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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I believe Kerry Wood is the career leader in towel pitches. Suck on that Buehrle!

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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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why are people continuing an argument over two pitchers that are completely opposite of each other in what they do?

buerhle is a finesse pitcher, and wood is a power pitcher. they have two different approaches. both are dominant when they are on their game, in their own way.

enough with who thinks the sox or cubs have accomplished more. the answer is clearly the sox, end of discussion. it's really getting as sad and tired as arguing whether the big ten is better than the SEC.


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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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it's really getting as sad and tired as arguing whether the big ten is better than the SEC.


Who the hell would argue that?? The only thing is Big Ten is better at is being bad.


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it's really getting as sad and tired as arguing whether the big ten is better than the SEC.


Who the hell would argue that?? The only thing is Big Ten is better at is being bad.

+1, and maybe academics

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Who the hell would argue that?? The only thing is Big Ten is better at is being bad.


uhhuheh...irish boy and boilermaker rick *where are you*? :twisted: can't remember if there was anybody else trying to argue for it...i think IB had the biggest hard on about it though.


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Irish Boy has not been around much at all lately.

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it is actually worrying me.


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 Post subject: Re: Buehrle vs. Wood
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Who the hell would argue that?? The only thing is Big Ten is better at is being bad.


uhhuheh...irish boy and boilermaker rick *where are you*? :twisted: can't remember if there was anybody else trying to argue for it...i think IB had the biggest hard on about it though.

There is no argument about it now. The SEC is clearly better.

It's not going to change for a long time now because the Big Ten doesn't recruit on the same level and has a lower class of coaches.

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