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long time guy wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

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“It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said.

The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry.

Yeah guys show off these players in a season-long battle for 8 seed.

Not the cap space trick again. The upper echelon max guys will more than likely resign with their current team. The Bulls will end up overpaying for guys that really aren't max players. In an effort to do something they will end up hurting the team even more.

We all know how this movie ends.

Douchebag wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

Coaching
I know Hoiberg has his detractors but I think it's still a bit too early to make a call on his coaching ability. In fairness to him and those of us who predicted much better success for the Bull last year, we were unaware of the issues between Butler and the rest of the squad. Those issues need to get sorted out one way or another. Strikes against him include not sticking to his guns and running things his way, as well as not putting the kibosh on whichever assistant coach was brought in to be a stooge for the front office. So going forward, can he and Butler co-exsist? If so then great but if not, a move needs to be made sooner rather than later.

Hiring Hoiberg with the veteran heavy roster going into last season was a major mistake. I knew that was going to blow up in his face, and I called them missing the playoffs before the season began. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt if the Bulls are going into a full rebuilding project. He has success at the college level, and could possibly work well with a team trying to go very young. The Bulls should have either held onto Thibs for one extra year, or they should have started dismantling this team after last season. Bringing a new rookie coach into a situation where the entire roster was staying and many on that roster were very loyal to the previous coach was a recipe for disaster.

Agreed. They also surrounded Hoiberg with YMCA coaches. They set him up to fail.

Met with Rondo today.

It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Peoria Matt wrote:

It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works.

Nas wrote:

Douchebag wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

Agreed. They also surrounded Hoiberg with YMCA coaches. They set him up to fail.

@CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches.

Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench.

long time guy wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Harrison Barnes come on down.

With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture.

The East is that weak.

ZephMarshack wrote:

This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop.

The East is better than it has been.

Matches Malone wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Harrison Barnes come on down.

With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture.

The East is that weak.

The East is better than it has been.

Nas wrote:

Matches Malone wrote:

long time guy wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Harrison Barnes come on down.

With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture.

The East is that weak.

The East is better than it has been.

What's the opposite of #Verdad? Let me know so I can properly respond to this ridiculous post.

Nas wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop.

Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers?

Matches Malone wrote:

Nas wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop.

Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers?

Definitely Randy Brown. He owes the organization everything.

Matches Malone wrote:

Nas wrote:

ZephMarshack wrote:

This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop.

Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers?

Definitely Randy Brown. He owes the organization everything.

Met with Rondo today.

RFDC wrote:

Met with Rondo today.

I fully support this. It would make for an absolutely hilarious season. If Fred and GarPax thought Rose, Noah, and Butler made for locker room issues, they ain't seen nothin' yet.

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If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe.

Matches Malone wrote:

One part is a distrust in them, but the other part has to do with the way in which the system is constructed. It's designed for the best players to remain with their current team. They will sign a couple of guys after next season but it's highly doubtful that any guy they sign will be a game changer. They will be guys of the Chandler Parsons variety.

Matches Malone wrote:

Author:	sjboyd0137 [ Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Sell the team and move to Fargo...or Seattle.

Author:	Douchebag [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:05 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Nas wrote: long time guy wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: Quote: “It’s all about ’17 for them,’’ a league source said. The hope is the Bulls will be competitive this upcoming season, showing off Butler and Lopez, along with youth like Doug McDermott, Grant, and Denzel Valentine, who they landed with the 14th overall pick Thursday. And will take that package into the 2017 offseason with cap space for possibly two maximum players in a summer loaded with talented free agents such as Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin and Kyle Lowry. Yeah guys show off these players in a season-long battle for 8 seed. Not the cap space trick again. The upper echelon max guys will more than likely resign with their current team. The Bulls will end up overpaying for guys that really aren't max players. In an effort to do something they will end up hurting the team even more. We all know how this movie ends.

Author:	Big Brane [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:15 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
BULL TEAM NEED A COMPLETE REBUILD. NOT GON HAPPEN WHILE REINSDORF IS OWNING TEAM. FIRE GARPAX NOW AND SELL TEAM!

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Nas wrote: Douchebag wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Coaching I know Hoiberg has his detractors but I think it's still a bit too early to make a call on his coaching ability. In fairness to him and those of us who predicted much better success for the Bull last year, we were unaware of the issues between Butler and the rest of the squad. Those issues need to get sorted out one way or another. Strikes against him include not sticking to his guns and running things his way, as well as not putting the kibosh on whichever assistant coach was brought in to be a stooge for the front office. So going forward, can he and Butler co-exsist? If so then great but if not, a move needs to be made sooner rather than later. Hiring Hoiberg with the veteran heavy roster going into last season was a major mistake. I knew that was going to blow up in his face, and I called them missing the playoffs before the season began. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt if the Bulls are going into a full rebuilding project. He has success at the college level, and could possibly work well with a team trying to go very young. The Bulls should have either held onto Thibs for one extra year, or they should have started dismantling this team after last season. Bringing a new rookie coach into a situation where the entire roster was staying and many on that roster were very loyal to the previous coach was a recipe for disaster. Agreed. They also surrounded Hoiberg with YMCA coaches. They set him up to fail. @CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches. Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench.

Author:	RFDC [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Met with Rondo today.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
RFDC wrote: Met with Rondo today. I'd be fine with giving him 4 years and $120 million or whatever

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years.

Author:	long time guy [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Peoria Matt wrote: It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years. Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works.

Author:	Matches Malone [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
long time guy wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years. Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works. Harrison Barnes come on down. With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture. The East is that weak.

Author:	Nas [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
ZephMarshack wrote: Nas wrote: Douchebag wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Coaching I know Hoiberg has his detractors but I think it's still a bit too early to make a call on his coaching ability. In fairness to him and those of us who predicted much better success for the Bull last year, we were unaware of the issues between Butler and the rest of the squad. Those issues need to get sorted out one way or another. Strikes against him include not sticking to his guns and running things his way, as well as not putting the kibosh on whichever assistant coach was brought in to be a stooge for the front office. So going forward, can he and Butler co-exsist? If so then great but if not, a move needs to be made sooner rather than later. Hiring Hoiberg with the veteran heavy roster going into last season was a major mistake. I knew that was going to blow up in his face, and I called them missing the playoffs before the season began. I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt if the Bulls are going into a full rebuilding project. He has success at the college level, and could possibly work well with a team trying to go very young. The Bulls should have either held onto Thibs for one extra year, or they should have started dismantling this team after last season. Bringing a new rookie coach into a situation where the entire roster was staying and many on that roster were very loyal to the previous coach was a recipe for disaster. Agreed. They also surrounded Hoiberg with YMCA coaches. They set him up to fail. @CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches. Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench. This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop.

Author:	Nas [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Matches Malone wrote: long time guy wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years. Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works. Harrison Barnes come on down. With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture. The East is that weak. The East is better than it has been.

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:55 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Nas wrote: Matches Malone wrote: long time guy wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years. Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works. Harrison Barnes come on down. With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture. The East is that weak. The East is better than it has been. What's the opposite of #Verdad? Let me know so I can properly respond to this ridiculous post.

Author:	Nas [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:57 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
FavreFan wrote: Nas wrote: Matches Malone wrote: long time guy wrote: Peoria Matt wrote: It makes no difference. They are going to suck for the foreseeable future. And wait until you see who turns them down in a few years. Agreed. The Bulls should full blown tank. They will be overpaying for mediocre free agents. One of the undersold parts about teams like S.A. and G.S. has to do with salary. They have won without max contracts or guys being vastly overpaid. The free agent game rarely works. Harrison Barnes come on down. With the right tweaking, you could be back in the playoff picture. The East is that weak. The East is better than it has been. What's the opposite of #Verdad? Let me know so I can properly respond to this ridiculous post. #Falso

Author:	Nas [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Matches Malone wrote: Nas wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: @CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches. Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench. This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop. Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers? Definitely Randy Brown. He owes the organization everything.

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Author:	Matches Malone [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Nas wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Nas wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: @CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches. Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench. This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop. Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers? Definitely Randy Brown. He owes the organization everything. Hey at least the Bull hooked him up with a gig when he fell on hard times. Why can't the Bears give the Fridge an ambassador gig?

Author:	RFDC [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:02 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
K.C. JohnsonVerified account ‏@KCJHoop Suddenly, it's 2010 again. Can confirm @WojVerticalNBA report that Bulls are among teams in talks with Dwayne Wade's reps. 2-yr deal.

Author:	Kirkwood [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Get rid of one douche and bring on another. Butler & Wade Douche Duo Good grief.

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Wade? I hope that's a joke.

Author:	long time guy [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Nas wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Nas wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: @CodyWesterlund Gar Forman confirms that there are no changes on the Bulls bench regarding assistant coaches. Thank goodness this team will continue to have the leadership of Randy Brown on the bench. This is ridiculous. You need someone with experience to help him develop. Who was the one reporting back to Gar? Brown or Pete Meyers? Definitely Randy Brown. He owes the organization everything. Not only the organization but apparently he owes Gar Forman. Randy Brown's ties to Gar Forman goes back much further than his ties to Reinsdorf. Gar Forman was the recruiting coordinator for New Mexico State. Randy Brown along with a slew of Chicago high school products were recruited to New Mexico State during the time he was the recruiting coordinator for New Mexico State. I remember that team. They had about 9 Chicago guys on it and they were really good. A lot of them like Brown came from Jucos. He and Randy Brown go way back.

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
RFDC wrote: Met with Rondo today. I fully support this. It would make for an absolutely hilarious season. If Fred and GarPax thought Rose, Noah, and Butler made for locker room issues, they ain't seen nothin' yet.

Author:	conns7901 [ Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
ZephMarshack wrote: RFDC wrote: Met with Rondo today. I fully support this. It would make for an absolutely hilarious season. If Fred and GarPax thought Rose, Noah, and Butler made for locker room issues, they ain't seen nothin' yet. Agreed. If they thought Jimmy is difficult to deal with....

Author:	Matches Malone [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Chicago Bulls Talk ‏@BullsSource Bulls Status = 10 players under 26, 9 rookie contracts, $26m cap space, $60+m cap space next summer, all/other teams picks, no bad contracts If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe.

Author:	long time guy [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Matches Malone wrote: Chicago Bulls Talk ‏@BullsSource Bulls Status = 10 players under 26, 9 rookie contracts, $26m cap space, $60+m cap space next summer, all/other teams picks, no bad contracts If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe. One part is a distrust in them, but the other part has to do with the way in which the system is constructed. It's designed for the best players to remain with their current team. They will sign a couple of guys after next season but it's highly doubtful that any guy they sign will be a game changer. They will be guys of the Chandler Parsons variety.

Author:	RFDC [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Matches Malone wrote: Chicago Bulls Talk ‏@BullsSource Bulls Status = 10 players under 26, 9 rookie contracts, $26m cap space, $60+m cap space next summer, all/other teams picks, no bad contracts If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe. so basically tank this year, and go all in next year?

Author:	Nas [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 3:58 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
long time guy wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Chicago Bulls Talk ‏@BullsSource Bulls Status = 10 players under 26, 9 rookie contracts, $26m cap space, $60+m cap space next summer, all/other teams picks, no bad contracts If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe. One part is a distrust in them, but the other part has to do with the way in which the system is constructed. It's designed for the best players to remain with their current team. They will sign a couple of guys after next season but it's highly doubtful that any guy they sign will be a game changer. They will be guys of the Chandler Parsons variety. They've never gotten the big fish either. Seeing the way they blast their current best player and how they dumped Rose I doubt many stars will be itching to come here. I don't trust Gar and I'm souring on Paxson.

Author:	Matches Malone [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 4:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
long time guy wrote: Matches Malone wrote: Chicago Bulls Talk ‏@BullsSource Bulls Status = 10 players under 26, 9 rookie contracts, $26m cap space, $60+m cap space next summer, all/other teams picks, no bad contracts If you don't trust the Paxson/Forman front office I can't blame you, but I don't think the situation is as dire as most believe. One part is a distrust in them, but the other part has to do with the way in which the system is constructed. It's designed for the best players to remain with their current team. They will sign a couple of guys after next season but it's highly doubtful that any guy they sign will be a game changer. They will be guys of the Chandler Parsons variety. Then what is the way out? Even if you keep missing on the big free agents, don't you have to keep swinging hoping you hit the eventual home-run?

Author:	Nas [ Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:11 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Fixing The Bull
Get a STUD in the draft