of course it's been a disappointing year. i'm well aware of that. like vegan though, i'm willing to extend my goodwill for another year. if they have a similar record or fail to make the playoffs again it will be a different story

You didn't. I nailed it. Same with Hoiberg too.

You didn't. I nailed it. Same with Hoiberg too.

Nah you missed that one. You think he will turn it around next year.

Just in time to sabotage playoff chances. Nice!

They blew a 9 point lead to the Nets.

Never been more infuriated with a team a root for than this year's Bull.

Are you still inclined to give Hoiberg credit for making the playoffs, if he does, given your feelings on how inconsistent the team has been throughout the whole season? I mean they just lost to the worst team in the league during the climax of a playoff race.

Guys have said the Bulls are where everyone expected they'd be but that to me sounds like an endorsement of mediocrity. You want to see teams and coaches exceed expectations. Thibs did that every single year except his last year. We got used to that around here until Hoiberg destroyed that culture. Plus there's no way you can tell me the Bulls, by losing games to the Nets and other garbage teams, are still performing as everyone expected. You'd expect to beat those teams.

Yeah but you'd never expect them to beat the upper echelon teams which they have. And you have to admit, there's not much on this roster for Hoiberg to work with.

As for Thibs, his coaching culture wasn't sustainable. You would have had a player revolt on your hands had he been brought back. You can only be an effective "Taskmaster" (shoutout to Kevin Sullivan) for so long. That act wears thin pretty quickly. Especially with adults.

Well Thibs' style worked just fine here for five years. Second most successful tenure in recent memory after PJ - I'll take that.

Yes the Bulls have won games against good teams but that's meaningless if you can't win games against the bottom tier teams. There's enough talent and experience on the roster for them to not look clueless on the court, and for them to win anywhere from 43-47 games like FF said, especially in a crappy conference, if they had their act together.

I'm not beating the drums for Hoiberg. There's no doubt he's in over his head. However, he hasn't exactly been dealt the best hand here roster wise.

From top to bottom, this organization needs to be turned over. I'd let Paxson consult on drafts but I can't have him hiring the next coach.

Guys have said the Bulls are where everyone expected they'd be but that to me sounds like an endorsement of mediocrity. You want to see teams and coaches exceed expectations. Thibs did that every single year except his last year. We got used to that around here until Hoiberg destroyed that culture. Plus there's no way you can tell me the Bulls, by losing games to the Nets and other garbage teams, are still performing as everyone expected. You'd expect to beat those teams.

Even if you think Hoiberg is a fantastic coach, the players on the team don't. That's all I really need to know. Thibs has been my guy for a decade now, but that's why he had to go too. The team gave up on him. Once that happens, it's the point of no return. Need a fresh start somewhere else at that point.

I'm not beating the drums for Hoiberg. There's no doubt he's in over his head. However, he hasn't exactly been dealt the best hand here roster wise.

From top to bottom, this organization needs to be turned over. I'd let Paxson consult on drafts but I can't have him hiring the next coach.

The decision on whether to whack Hoiberg shouldn't be based upon what the players think either. That includes Butler. The playes also wanted Thibs gone and later back pedaled as if they didn't. They don't get a second chance at determining who the coach will be.

The other problem with this defense of Hoiberg is that the party making this argument can never point to anything productive or positive Hoiberg does as a coach. All it amounts to is the assertion that he simply must be doing something right just because the Bulls aren't the worst team in the league. Hoiberg's critics can point to tangible shortcomings in his coaching, be it the throwing crap against the wall approach to rotations, terrible offensive plays off of timeouts, lying about conversations he hasn't actually had with players, or clearly lacking any kind of respect in the locker room. All his defenders can point to is the idea that he's met expectations this season, a standard that is laughably low since Hoiberg's own incompetence from last season was precisely one of the reasons the expectations were where they were at for this season.

If low expectations are a product of Hoiberg''s coaching then the high expectations (and failure to meet them) are a product of Thibs bad coaching.

The expectations for this team were low primarily because of the construction of the roster. When you look at the posts regarding the Bulls from the summer all you heard about was the "worst 3 point shooting team" in the league.

If low expectations are a product of Hoiberg''s coaching then the high expectations (and failure to meet them) are a product of Thibs bad coaching.

The expectations for this team were low primarily because of the construction of the roster. When you look at the posts regarding the Bulls from the summer all you heard about was the "worst 3 point shooting team" in the league.

One guy here even said that Rondo is nothing more than a role playing bench guy in today's NBA. No one liked the moves made by GarPax as I recall. When the Bulls win the narrative becomes so what who cares because they still are nothing more than a 7th or 8th seed.

When they lose its Hoiberg is a terrible coach worst in the league. He probably isn't the guy for the job but this isn't really that talented of a team

There isn't one young player that anyone likes and veterans like Wade are past their prime.

Listen hear you little spinmister son of a bitch...who here said Rondo was worse than any of the point guards the Bulls have???? Fred benched him then realized the only chance to salvage what he fucked up was insert him in the roster.... not a starter but with the 2nd unit,,,,,then a starter.Just go away you fucking idiot

No you go away you stupid motherfucker. I don't recall your not so keen observations regarding Rondo''s benching or signing by the way. All you ever do is pop in and criticize everyone's thoughts. You never have anything positive to say about anything or anyone and anytime you want to keep score on whose right or wrong between me and you feel free.

It's not even comparable and as far as Rondo''s benching it was a mistake but there were about 3 things at work with it you rambling dumbass.

1. Rondo had recently disrespected the assistant coach.

2. He wasn't playing all that well.

3. Wade and Butler were the guys that were running the offense effectively icing him out.

Not once have I ever heard your hypocritical condescending ass advocate for him to be signed or to start yet you come on now with this know it all told you so bullshit like you always do. Get the fuck out of here asshole.

No the high expectations on Thibs were a product of previous success. The only time Hoiberg had high expectations was last season, as he was a blank slate as an NBA coach and we were all repeatedly assured that the Bulls roster was at the level where it should have beaten the Cavs in the playoffs (and "The Mayor's" offensive genius was precisely the thing to take the team over the hump). Given that Hoiberg did not even make the playoffs with that roster, it's perfectly reasonable that his coaching aptitude would be rated considerably lower going into this one.

But it was not a concern for Fred, who eagerly endorsed this roster construction. The mere fact that most people thought this was a recipe for mediocrity doesn't let him off the hook.

Just criticize dumb shits like YOU