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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:34 pm 
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Yea and wade is playing where he always wanted to
Wade didn't want to play here until this year.


i think he did want to come here that year he 'toyed' with us... but the cards in his hand showed he could be with lebron in miami... so... yea. i would have done it too.

he might have even tried to get lebron and bosch to chicago but it just didnt work. whatever happened, the bridge wasnt burned because he is here now.

all i know is i saw a guy who seemed over the top to be playing last night. i never remember wade looking so enthused to start a season. he was a completely different player, with completely different game last night. hes been working with the team on how he could best fit in.. its just so surprising to me.

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IMU said the Atlanta Hawks will finish with a better record than the Bulls. I offered a $50 straight up bet. He said he will decide one way or the other in the next 48 hours

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I'm feeling pretty good so far. After a strong start, the Bulls have plummeted back down to Earth. They can't stop anybody and this will be a problem all season.

Rondo also isn't lighting it up from 3 point range yet.

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IMU said the Atlanta Hawks will finish with a better record than the Bulls. I offered a $50 straight up bet. He said he will decide one way or the other in the next 48 hours

I missed out on this. I still believe it though.

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Not qualify for playoffs. Avatar and sig. I'm sorry I'm poor.

I just saw this. You sure? With the Bears bet Ill basically be picking your sig/avatar for the next 12 months. :lol:

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UPDATE:

DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.

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Not qualify for playoffs. Avatar and sig. I'm sorry I'm poor.

Still available? You never answered my previous post.

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DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.

Don't get too exicited yet. The Bulls fall 2 games back, and they are the out of the playoff picture. The East is a big blob now from 3rd-10th

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Not qualify for playoffs. Avatar and sig. I'm sorry I'm poor.

Still available? You never answered my previous post.


Didn't see this. Yes I'm down. I agree with DB completely.

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UPDATE:

DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.


Still early but... :lol:

Hoiberg's ceiling will always be .500-ish

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veganfan21 wrote:
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DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.


Still early but... :lol:

Hoiberg's ceiling will always be .500-ish

Thanks, GarPax!


I'm starting to get that vibe too.

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DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.


Still early but... :lol:

Hoiberg's ceiling will always be .500-ish

Thanks, GarPax!


I'm starting to get that vibe too.


Welcome to the club! You're going to have to walk back a lot of stuff you said about Hoiberg though. :D

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DB is fucked on both bets. Bulls will finish with a top 2 seed it's looking like and Rondo is rounding into form from the 3 point line.


Still early but... :lol:

Hoiberg's ceiling will always be .500-ish

Thanks, GarPax!


I'm starting to get that vibe too.


Welcome to the club! You're going to have to walk back a lot of stuff you said about Hoiberg though. :D


I'm not going to walk it back. I will simply have been wrong. Thibs bombing will compensate nicely. If the Bulls finish with about 42-45 wins that was about where I had them. After watching them earlier in the season I thought they could get up in the 50-52 win range.

My problem with Hoiberg is that they don't get up for weaker teams. Happened last season too. Also took far too long to pull the plug on Mirotic. I doubt if it was even his call either.

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I'm no Hoiberg fan but I don't blame him. He's still learning on the job and may be a good coach 1 day. I blame Gar Forman. He surrounded a college coach with high school assistants. How is he supposed to learn and develop quickly? Look at the guys sitting next to Kerr. Since Paxson unofficially handed the keys to Forman he has sucked in pretty much every way. He has to go and Paxson needs to do the job again.

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I'm no Hoiberg fan but I don't blame him. He's still learning on the job and may be a good coach 1 day. I blame Gar Forman. He surrounded a college coach with high school assistants. How is he supposed to learn and develop quickly? Look at the guys sitting next to Kerr. Since Paxson unofficially handed the keys to Forman he has sucked in pretty much every way. He has to go and Paxson needs to do the job again.


The last time Forman dealt with veteran assistants he got confronted about his dumbass personnel decisions by Ron Adams. I'm sure Forman doesn't want his genius questioned again.

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I'm no Hoiberg fan but I don't blame him. He's still learning on the job and may be a good coach 1 day. I blame Gar Forman. He surrounded a college coach with high school assistants. How is he supposed to learn and develop quickly? Look at the guys sitting next to Kerr. Since Paxson unofficially handed the keys to Forman he has sucked in pretty much every way. He has to go and Paxson needs to do the job again.


The last time Forman dealt with veteran assistants he got confronted about his dumbass personnel decisions by Ron Adams. I'm sure Forman doesn't want his genius questioned again.


Completely agree and he needs to go.

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This is not a very talented team. Hoiberg may not be the answer but it wouldn't make too much difference regardless of the coach. They overrated their young talent. Mirotic looks like a bum McDermott is looking like the second coming of Randy Wittman and Portis may be on his way out the league in a few years. They could turn it around of course but it doesn't seem likely. With Hoiberg it seems that the wheels inevitably fall off at some point.

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Forman demanded Thibs play all of his draft picks. Hoiberg did and then he stopped because he also recognizes that these guys aren't good.

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The Bulls have 6 or 7 NBA players on their roster and at 27 Butler is the youngest player that's good. Gar Forman fucked this team up with his shitty drafts for about 5 years.

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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.

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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.

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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.

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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.


I don't blame Hoiberg or disagree about Butler being a #1 but Taj is solid as a starting 4 unless you are looking for him to score 20 points. He's a Haslam type of player.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.


I don't blame Hoiberg or disagree about Butler being a #1 but Taj is solid as a starting 4 unless you are looking for him to score 20 points. He's a Haslam type of player.


If he is going to be a starter he has to be able to give you 34-35 minutes a night. If he were able to do that then you don't have to rely on the bench as much.

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Nas wrote:
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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.


Hoiberg is just inept. How many times are we going to see him fail to have guys fall in line?

I agree about Butler and Gibson - optimally, Butler is the 3rd best player and Gibson is the 7th man. That would probably mean you've got a good team. Regardless, Hoiberg isn't a guy who is going to squeeze out everything he can from a roster, no matter how talented or untalented it is.

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.


I don't blame Hoiberg or disagree about Butler being a #1 but Taj is solid as a starting 4 unless you are looking for him to score 20 points. He's a Haslam type of player.


If he is going to be a starter he has to be able to give you 34-35 minutes a night. If he were able to do that then you don't have to rely on the bench as much.


I guess it would be great to play all the starters on this team more. Gibson is playing pretty much the same amount of minutes as a Tristan Thompson, Andre Drummond and Dwight Howard. Besides PF is a position where we have the most depth on the team. Did you have an issue with Haslem as a starter? Taj is pretty much the same hard hat and lunch pail guy.

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Nas wrote:
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Ive laid off this for awhile but may be time revisit it. If Jimmy Butler is your best player and Taj is your starting 4 then your team isn't going to be all that good anyway.


Both have played better than expected this year. They clearly aren't the problem. They may have the worst bench in the NBA and you can't count on Wade to be Wade every night. They needed their bench to help and they can't because Gar Forman can't draft. You can't name a player that Forman drafted that was good. He's constantly drafted people who he or his friends know.


Gibson has,played better than expected but he is a starter playing reserve minutes. He still can't make play for you on offense.

It is,not really about them being a problem as much as it is the roles that their in. The Butler as best player isn't going to place you in contender status. He isn't good enough for that. 2nd or 3rd best player and you are fine. No.1 guy nah. They really haven't been good since that's been the case either. That can't just be about Hoiberg.


Hoiberg is just inept. How many times are we going to see him fail to have guys fall in line?

I agree about Butler and Gibson - optimally, Butler is the 3rd best player and Gibson is the 7th man. That would probably mean you've got a good team. Regardless, Hoiberg isn't a guy who is going to squeeze out everything he can from a roster, no matter how talented or untalented it is.


Yeah there appear to be problems with all 3. Hoiberg has too many letdowns against inferior teams to ever be a good coach. That is kind of where I am at at this point. Hope I'm wrong but don't think so.

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