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RFDC wrote:

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The trade deadline is four days away and the potential for a blockbuster trade involving the Bulls appears to be on the table.

That's according to The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski, who said on his Woj Report on Saturday night that the league's biggest trade deadline story will be Butler, the Bulls and the Celtics.

"There's no question," he told The Vertical's Chris Mannix, "this trade deadline, the potential of a Boston-Chicago deal for Jimmy Butler, I think it will loom over the entire week.

KC Johnson wrote:

Vegan's hatred for KC Johnson runs deep.

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

FavreFan wrote:

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved.

FavreFan wrote:

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved.

Marc Stein on Zach Lowe's podcast says the Bulls have told all inquiring teams except Boston that they're not moving Jimmy Butler:

“I don’t think Butler is getting traded,” Stein said. “Now, the Bulls have told numerous teams they won’t move him. My best summation of it is this: Boston is the only team they would trade him to. And I think it would take at least one Brooklyn pick and Avery Bradley and (Jae) Crowder. Something like that."

I, for one, think it's a great idea to arbitrarily shrink the market to a size of one with less than 72 hours before the trade deadline. How very Bulls.

I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well.

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

veganfan21 wrote:

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson.

I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick.

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson.

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson.

I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick.

I very much doubt that the whole country agrees with dumping a top 10 player just because the team he is on isn't good, which is literally the only reason you and vegan have given for wanting to trade him.

FavreFan wrote:

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him

Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him.

long time guy wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him.

What leverage do they have? He has a cap friendly contract and that's about it. The Bulls aren't going to get two five picks for Butler. Definitely not two and a solid rotation player for him.

Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him.

A 1st round pick and a role player for Butler would be one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Bulls have some leverage here - there's no reason for them to trade Butler. If a team wants him, they will need to recognize his value as a top 10 player and pay up accordingly.

FavreFan wrote:

long time guy wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

The Bulls aren't going to get two top five guys for him. Definitely not two and a solid rotation guy for him.

I'm with FavreFan.

You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts.

Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson.

FavreFan wrote:

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

312player wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson.

I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick.

I don't think Ainge agrees with your assessment about Butler being a top ten guy.

IMU wrote:

How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard.

312player wrote:

IMU wrote:

How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard.

The Bulls are infinity years away from winning the East with the current front office.

Why am I reading rumors about Jae Crowder being a sticking point in this deal for either side? Why the hell do the Bulls even want him, and why the hell would Boston be stubborn enough not to offer him and the Nets pick for Butler?

ZephMarshack wrote:

He has a great contract, arguably one of the best in the league, but I agree with you.

The Bulls are idiots if Crowder is their big deal-breaker.

But I can see why GarPaxDorf are salivating at the thought of having a $7m starter. Never mind that he'll probably never make an all-star game. The contract is just so cheap. :lol:

Perhaps this roster doesn't win more than 1 game as an 8th seed playoff team, but hot damn, look at how cheap that starting line-up is!

Grant
Valentine
Crowder
Portis
Lopez

Author:	FavreFan [ Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
veganfan21 wrote: RFDC wrote: Quote: The trade deadline is four days away and the potential for a blockbuster trade involving the Bulls appears to be on the table. That's according to The Vertical's Adrian Wojnarowski, who said on his Woj Report on Saturday night that the league's biggest trade deadline story will be Butler, the Bulls and the Celtics. "There's no question," he told The Vertical's Chris Mannix, "this trade deadline, the potential of a Boston-Chicago deal for Jimmy Butler, I think it will loom over the entire week. KC Johnson wrote:

Author:	leashyourkids [ Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Vegan's hatred for KC Johnson runs deep.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Sun Feb 19, 2017 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
leashyourkids wrote: Vegan's hatred for KC Johnson runs deep. @KCJohnson ‏Retweeted @WojVerticalNBA Sources: Bulls Beat Reporter @KCJohnson nears deal on new home, expects to close within one week

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
That Sacramento pick just got a lot worse now that Boogie is gone. Those two Nets picks would be pretty nice.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:41 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler

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Author:	BD [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
BD wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved. Good.

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
BD wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Seeing what Sacramento received in return for Cousins probably makes it less likely (if it was even being considered in the 1st place) that Butler is moved. Fuckin' Vlade Divac.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Marc Stein on Zach Lowe's podcast says the Bulls have told all inquiring teams except Boston that they're not moving Jimmy Butler: “I don’t think Butler is getting traded,” Stein said. “Now, the Bulls have told numerous teams they won’t move him. My best summation of it is this: Boston is the only team they would trade him to. And I think it would take at least one Brooklyn pick and Avery Bradley and (Jae) Crowder. Something like that." I, for one, think it's a great idea to arbitrarily shrink the market to a size of one with less than 72 hours before the trade deadline. How very Bulls. That's that dumb fuck Pax at work, smh.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:16 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
veganfan21 wrote: I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well. I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass.

Author:	veganfan21 [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
312player wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well. I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass. Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
veganfan21 wrote: 312player wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well. I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass. Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road. Keeping him gives you a better chance of success down the road than trading him for a lottery pick who almost certainly won't be as good as him will.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
veganfan21 wrote: 312player wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well. I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass. Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road. Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson. I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick.

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Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:27 pm ]
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312player wrote: veganfan21 wrote: 312player wrote: veganfan21 wrote: I think Pax is too conservative to seal the deal on a blockbuster. The last time I think he had a chance to leverage a proven asset for picks or something was Joakim Noah at the height of his prime. Didn't trade Noah, didn't trade for Gasol back in the day (not that I necessarily wanted that - just trying to think of opportunities), Garnett, etc. Not that this is a criticism per se but it doesn't seem like big deals are Pax's thing. Would much rather work the bargain bin FA market and draft well. I think Pax knows he's a dumb motherfucker and he's hyper sensitive to criticism, he knows deep down that Danny Ainge will fleece his stupid ass. Well I personally think he needs to make a deal this year for sure. The team is going nowhere and that's not Butler's fault. Turn him into assets for a shot at success down the road. Agreed, I think the whole country agrees besides Farvefan and Paxson. I'd try to get Jaylen Brown and that pick. I very much doubt that the whole country agrees with dumping a top 10 player just because the team he is on isn't good, which is literally the only reason you and vegan have given for wanting to trade him.

Author:	IMU [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
I'm with FavreFan. You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts. Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson.

Author:	long time guy [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him.

Author:	Peoria Matt [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:43 pm ]
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IMU wrote: Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson. So in other words, they might as well trade him.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:46 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him. A 1st round pick and a role player for Butler would be one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Bulls have some leverage here - there's no reason for them to trade Butler. If a team wants him, they will need to recognize his value as a top 10 player and pay up accordingly.

Author:	long time guy [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him. What leverage do they have? He has a cap friendly contract and that's about it. The Bulls aren't going to get two five picks for Butler. Definitely not two and a solid rotation player for him. Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him. A 1st round pick and a role player for Butler would be one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Bulls have some leverage here - there's no reason for them to trade Butler. If a team wants him, they will need to recognize his value as a top 10 player and pay up accordingly. The Bulls aren't going to get two top five guys for him. Definitely not two and a solid rotation guy for him.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: long time guy wrote: FavreFan wrote: Anything less than the two Nets picks plus Marcus Smart is a complete disaster of a trade for Butler Bulls can't get that for Butler. 1st round pick and a role player is the max for him. What leverage do they have? He has a cap friendly contract and that's about it. The Bulls aren't going to get two five picks for Butler. Definitely not two and a solid rotation player for him. Boston is unwilling to part with any of the Net picks for him. A 1st round pick and a role player for Butler would be one of the worst trades in the history of sports. Bulls have some leverage here - there's no reason for them to trade Butler. If a team wants him, they will need to recognize his value as a top 10 player and pay up accordingly. The Bulls aren't going to get two top five guys for him. Definitely not two and a solid rotation guy for him. You mean two top five picks? I agree they probably won't, which is why I wouldn't do it. There's like a 10% chance the player picked with the Nets pick next year turns out to be as good as Butler.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
IMU wrote: I'm with FavreFan. You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts. Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson. How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard.

Author:	IMU [ Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
312player wrote: IMU wrote: I'm with FavreFan. You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts. Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson. How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard. The Bulls are infinity years away from winning the East with the current front office.

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
IMU wrote: 312player wrote: IMU wrote: I'm with FavreFan. You can rebuild this without dumping a Top 10 player for picks and a couple not Top 50 players. And Butler would still be a franchise player when the Bulls are good. He is also a player that could bring that final star Free Ajent piece here in ~3 years once the Bulls have had a couple decent drafts. Drafts not helmed by Gar Forman or John Paxson. How many years do you think the Bulls are away from winning the East? They need a President, GM and coach..then a PG, center, and power forward and shooting guard. The Bulls are infinity years away from winning the East with the current front office. Yep this is the top reason I'm against trading Butler. I'm willing to grant that the Bulls have no path to a championship standing pat but they also have no path to a championship under a GarPax directed rebuild either.

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Jimmy Butler trade rumors
Why am I reading rumors about Jae Crowder being a sticking point in this deal for either side? Why the hell do the Bulls even want him, and why the hell would Boston be stubborn enough not to offer him and the Nets pick for Butler?

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:10 pm ]
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ZephMarshack wrote: Why am I reading rumors about Jae Crowder being a sticking point in this deal for either side? Why the hell do the Bulls even want him, and why the hell would Boston be stubborn enough not to offer him and the Nets pick for Butler? He has a great contract, arguably one of the best in the league, but I agree with you.

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:13 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: Why am I reading rumors about Jae Crowder being a sticking point in this deal for either side? Why the hell do the Bulls even want him, and why the hell would Boston be stubborn enough not to offer him and the Nets pick for Butler? He has a great contract, arguably one of the best in the league, but I agree with you. Yeah right after I posted that I saw this comment on Real GM that made me chuckle: Quote: The Bulls are idiots if Crowder is their big deal-breaker. But I can see why GarPaxDorf are salivating at the thought of having a $7m starter. Never mind that he'll probably never make an all-star game. The contract is just so cheap. Perhaps this roster doesn't win more than 1 game as an 8th seed playoff team, but hot damn, look at how cheap that starting line-up is! Grant Valentine Crowder Portis Lopez Typical MO for this franchise.