Hoiberg is so fucking clueless. The more he plays Grant and Dunn together, the more his offensive scheme seems stupid, and it stunts their growth as point guards. Which is all either of them could be, even with good coaching.

I swear to God Vinny del Negro was a better coach.

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Hoiberg is so fucking clueless. The more he plays Grant and Dunn together, the more his offensive scheme seems stupid, and it stunts their growth as point guards. Which is all either of them could be, even with good coaching.

I swear to God Vinny del Negro was a better coach.

I just don't think Grant will be a long term NBA player. He plays so incredibly timid.

Hoiberg is so fucking clueless. The more he plays Grant and Dunn together, the more his offensive scheme seems stupid, and it stunts their growth as point guards. Which is all either of them could be, even with good coaching.

I swear to God Vinny del Negro was a better coach.

This year isn't an indicator of what kind of coach Hoiberg happens to be. The Bulls have the least talented team in the league. Yeah I know a better coach would have a much better record. Yadda yadda yadda.

And the first year wasn't either all because of those darned injuries. But the second year, where he scrapped into the playoffs in an East that was miles weaker than it is this year, was a definite indicator of his impeccable coaching prowess.

Yeah no matter what he does he is going to be a terrible coach in your opinion. Let that be the premise and we can keep it moving.

I see no development in any player under Hoiberg. I've seen players regress. I've seen him clash with multiple players. I've seen multiple instances of discord within the locker room. I see Hoiberg starting two PG's that can't shoot in the same lineup while touting that his offense needs many shooters on the court to space the offense.

He has failed as an NBA coach in every single way imaginable.

What are the Top 3 things you like about Hoiberg. What are the 3 things you can point to and give him credit for, or say he does well at?

He made the playoffs last season and exceeded the expectations of MANY of the experts on this very board.

He is a really good offensive coach.

Making the playoffs and losing in the first round is not much of an accomplishment. Much of the board had the Bulls win total pretty much right where it ended up being. I had them at a game or two under .500.

If his crowning achievement in two years is making the playoffs once, with a carry over roster that had already made the playoffs a ton in the previous five seasons well... not sure I'm going to give him a lot of credit for that.

Yeah no matter what he does he is going to be a terrible coach in your opinion. Let that be the premise and we can keep it moving.

No, no matter what you're going to wave away any criticism of him all for the most glorious feat of reaching the 8th seed with a team that just two seasons prior should have been in the NBA finals (and would have been if they had the benefit of Hoiberg's offensive genius against the Cavs).

There isn't a Bull from his first year as coach that is currently playing a prominent role on any of the contending teams. His team was injury riddled that first year.
He did a better job of coaching his team last year than the guy he replaced did with coaching his.

Do you care to discuss That?

It's hilarious how you want to invoke the Thibs comparisons while now suddenly decrying the quality of the team Hoiberg inherited and completely missed the playoffs with. Even if I grant for the sake of argument the premise that the 2015-2016 Bulls did not feature any players with prominent roles on any of the currently contending teams (a notion that is strained to say the least given the starting positions that Rose, Butler, and Gasol currently play), that makes Thibodeau's achievements with a roster similarly lacking in such players a case of overachieving, not fireable underachieving. Trying to knock the roster of the team that Hoiberg failed to even make the playoffs with only makes what Thibodeau did the preceding season look better.

The Bulls had far more injuries in Hoibergs first than they had in Thibs last year. That was the difference. If Thibs is the coach that you keep suggesting then let's see what he will do with Minnesota. The Bulls thing is done. Time to move on.

Hoiberg didn't have the luxury of coaching that team. They were injury riddled.

Twice as many injuries. That is what the numbers say.


If Thibs is that guy then let's see what he does in Minnesota.

You're the last person who should tell anyone to move on since your weak defenses of Hoiberg are always accompanied by a Thibs reference, even when no one has been discussing him at all. One can think Thibs is the most overrated coach in the history of the league and still see that Hoiberg is a crap coach.

Your attempts to cite things Hoiberg actually does well are weak to say the least. His offensive sets have resulted in 2 seasons of below average offenses in pretty much every statistical category in the league. His plays off of timeouts for an offensive coach are especially terrible for such a supposed visionary. His player development has been awful and this is being highlighted even more now with the improvements that guys like Snell and McDermott have demonstrated once they got away from Hoiberg. This doesn't even get into his glaring weaknesses rather than his supposed strengths, such as the utter lack of any defensive discipline, the completely random and unjustified rotation decisions, and the awful atmosphere that's been allowed to fester under his watch.

I suppose none of this matters though because Bulls fans will always have that miraculous 2016-2017 season, where Coach Hoiberg miraculously led the Bulls to the 8th seed in the East thanks to his vision and leadership. We'll be talking about that season for years to come.