I beg to differ



Now you're trolling because you can't admit that you had it wrong. It happens to the best of us (and in your case worst of us) champ.

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Don't forget the key to the first championship- Walter Davis

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Vegan has never seen Walter Davis play. . Never heard of him either. He's a Johnny come lately masquerading as a "long time guy"
For the record Walter Davis was a baller. Jordan wasn't wrong for wanting to add him.

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Oh I know he was a baller. Jordan was pissed that they didn't trade for him during the 90-91 season; he went to Portland instead. You have to remember Jordan always wanted North Carolina players on the team and he idolized Davis as a youth. I think the Bulls did just fine without Davis.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Remember when Krause thought about drafting Joe Wolf? Couldn't tell if that was more Krause or Jordan on that one. That may have been the only time they agreed on something.

Its just strange that Walter Davis gets bashed now as if he was a bum.

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Yeah he wasn't a bum.

Maybe it would've worked out here.

Who knows.

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The Candyman a bum 6 time All-Star and the Suns All-Time Leading Scorer!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Bulls title years/payroll rank
1- 22nd
2- 3rd
3- 4th
4- 15th
5- 1st
6- 1st
Next year rebuild - 28th
2nd rebuild year- 28th
3rd year rebuild- 28th
4th year rebuild- 27th

House that Jordan built was still packed. Huge media, merchandise revenue. Plus no way Floyd made Phil's 6 million a year.Reinsdorf made a fortune tearing the team down. The two wise men had a plan.

Another stellar move by Krause.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct- ... story.html

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Not a Krause fan. But he gave up a low 1990 1st rd pick for Hopson. NJ took stiff Tate George in slim pickins. In that year's 2nd rd. he took Toni Kukoc with a pick he got from Orlando for cardboard cutout Dave Corzine.

In that 1991 article Sam Smith says with indifferent play thus far from Will Perdue and Stacey King. Two of Krause's biggest high 1st rd. busts. Smith just this past couple of weeks now praised Krause's drafts.

Yeah but Elden Campbell was also picked later. Elden Campbell was better than any Center that the Bulls had during their title run. That includes Cartwright. Not as a rookie but as a pro. The Lakers drafted 2 Centers in successive years that were better than any Center the Bulls had on their roster.

As far as Busts go there were more than just King and Perdue. Brad Sellers was a bust. Jeff Sanders was a flop too.

Michael Jordan believed that Krause was a terrible talent evaluator and said as much. Doug Collins and everyone from Reinsdorf on down had to get him to take Ho Grant. He was hellbent on drafting Joe Wolf.

Pippen was a Marty Blake discovery more than anything.

They won but they were damn lucky to have Jordan in place before Krause started all of his sleuthing.

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Have never believed that the breakup of the Bulls was primarily on Krause however. Don't think that was entirely or even mostly his fault. From 16 years ago.

https://www.espn.com/nba/columns/story? ... id=1936782

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Jerry Krause was a great GM. Bottom line. He made a lot of great moves.

Was he an ass hole? Yes.

But Michael Jordan was an ass hole. Phil Jackson was an ass hole. Scottie Pippen was an ass hole. Jerry Reinsdorf is an ass hole.

This dynasty was created by a bunch of ass holes. So what? We got a dynasty out of the ass holes.

His personality was of little concern. What were all of these "great moves"? He was on the job 18 years and there were plenty of guys better than him at his job scattered around the league.

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He was good at trades and bad at drafts when the Bulls were good, then when he had no assets left to trade and had to rely on the draft, he was exposed. Does that about sum it up?

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Few had faith Krause could build a champion from scratch. The MANY were correct. It was with glee that I watched him fail. And fail spectacularly.

LTG has outlined well Krause's "genius". That 87 draft for instance. The one that made Krause's career. The one that forgives all his shit picks. Say he wasn't laser focused on Pippen, also available besides Horace were Reggie Miller, Kenny Smith, Kevin Johnson, and Mark Jackson. The thing you have to remember is that Pippen came into the league raw. His rookie year WAS NOT GOOD. Michael developed him. Krause picked him but Michael made him a HOFer. Basically from scratch.

The Pippen draft, I know it was technically a trade but it was done on draft day. Drafted Grant. Traded Oakley for Cartreight, then the Rodman trade, for only fuckin Will Purdue, who replaced Grant. A steal.

He drafted Toni Kucok in the 2nd round in 1990. Another steal. Didn't get him to the Bulls until the 2nd 3-peat. But Toni doesn't get enough credit. He was a good player. And important to the 2nd 3-peat.

Jerry Krause was a good GM.

People who say he wasn't are wrong.

He always had the 3 point guys. Paxon, Hodges and Kerr. Krause guys.

He was good.

Yep. And the NBA basically changed for the worse once Jordan quit and the Bulls dynasty was done. The rules changed afterward. Players started running the league to the league's detriment. Under the rules in which Krause lived within he was good. When Jordan, Pippin, and Jackson went out and sowed the seed of hate against the Bulls, free agents didn't want to go to Chicago because of the vile bullshit that they put out there.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I think that theory is bullshit. But people like to say it cuz the Bulls didn't get the top line free agents. It's not like the Knicks got the top line free agents either.

They did what they wanted to do. Nothing to do with Krause after the dynasty.

Basically, in the NBA, you gotta get a top 2 pick in the draft when their are studs. That's it. Once you get that guy you're great. If you don't, you suck or are average. It's that simple.

Baseball and Football are more than that. You need a lot. Not the NBA.

It wasn't hard when you had the greatest player in the history of the game on your roster to start out with.

His staff convinced him to take Grant. He wanted Joe Wolf.

His Assistant GM convinced him to trade for Rodman whixh should have been a no brainer.

Cartwright wasn't a great get. He was mediocre as hell by the time the Bulls traded for him.

Drafted Sellers. Bust

Drafted Perdue Bust.

Drafted Stacey King. Bust.

Jeff Sanders Bust.

Drafted Oakley over Karl Malone even though Malone was easily the better college player and pro prospect.

Traded a First Rd pick for a guy that rarely played and traded a year later.

Kukoc was a good get. Pippen was a great pickup.

The Bulls supporting cast mostly sucked during those title years. That's on Krause.

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Wow. "Masquerading as a LONG TIME GUY"? What a pompous ass you are once again. Vegan has absolutely the right to his opinion and for you to insult him is just once again the mark of an egotistical ass. You hate Krause and it has absolutely all to do with your massive ego so when anyone disputes your opinion you insult him. He didn't insult you , asshole. He disputed your assessment and it was well founded.

There are a number of people on this board who I would trust with an insight or opinion. The last person I would trust is you. Even Frank knows a bit about baseball. You do not know shit about anything.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I don't think he is being bashed. He was a good player. But Jordan wasn't the GM and never has put a championship team together as one or as an owner. Krause did it six times I think.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

I don't think that was Krause. Krause had his own ego and wanted to win. I believe this was all on Reinny and Krause was his fall guy. Bottom line I hate Reinny mainly for his shit job with the White Sox. I really hate Reinny double for his double-crossing Thibs and failing to fire Paxson and Gar very early on.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

And Krause got Hansen, who hit a couple of key shots in that Gm 6 comeback against the Blazers.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."

Yes.

Thank you.

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No reference to his "Phil could go 82-0 and he won't come back next year" comment.

Worthless column.

Not out of the ordinary for KC Johnson.

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To be fair, KC didn’t really write that, Krause did. Re-read the first sentences.

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If we nominate Trump we will get destroyed & we'll deserve it.- L Graham
I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.- DJT 2016
MAY THEY ROT IN HELL. AGAIN, MERRY CHRISTMAS!- DJT 12/25/23

I know.

But I like taking shots at KC.

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No defense and he was 31