Troy Brown looked good in the bubble last year, he was buried on Washington's bench.

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Aaron Gordon to the Nuggets(who were another Ball suitor) so that's good if you want Lonzo on the Bulls.

being buried on Washington's bench is an indictment in and of itself.

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Bulls also got Theis from Boston who is a solid backup.

I didn't realize how many names were in the 2022 free agent class.

John Wall
James Harden
Russell Westbrook
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry
Bradley Beal
Jimmy Butler
Kemba Walker
Kawhi Leonard
Kyrie Irving
Chris Paul

A lot of PGs.

They will only have the MLE to work with though.

I'm not so sure.

I used to be better with the NBA salary cap stuff but it looks like they have roughly $62 million tied up between Zach Lavine, Nikola Vuvevic, Patrick Williams, Coby White, and Troy Brown. That's assuming Theis, Felicio, Temple, and Valentine all walk after this season.

Young ($14 million), Satoransky ($10 million), and Aminu ($10 million) all expire after the '21-'22 season.

If Lavine gets an extension, he'll make more than his current $19.5 million, but there still should be plenty of room for a max contract even if the salary cap remains at $109 million (which it won't).

Don't they have to extend Lavine now?

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We got to draft one, White isn't a PG and he should be traded, Valentine and Satoranski should be launched. Lot of bad money on this roster to cut.

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Next season is his last under contract. I imagine they can extend him at any time from now until June 30, 2022.

Because I don't get very excited over signing a Mike Conely, Kyle Lowry, or Goran Dragic this summer, I'm with you. It would be real interesting if the Bulls lose more than they win over the last 29 games. They play some really tough teams multiple times (Bucks, Nets, Celtics, Heat). And the Spurs, Warriors, Jazz, Suns, Pacers, and Raptors is a rough stretch that starts tomorrow night. It's entirely possible this new group needs time to mesh and they miss the playoffs and hang right around the 9th or 10th worst record in the league. Maybe they get lucky again and land in the top 4.

Vuc just steps in for Lauri(they are basically the same player except Vuc is who you wanted Lauri to be), I think they take off and easily get the 6th seed.

Are you going to draft a starting PG with the 2nd rounder they have for 2021? or are you assuming someone will offer up a high 1st for one of the guys you've listed?

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Neither, Id say were fucked. You cant whiff on multi lotto picks like that and recover. Ultimately we need to draft a PG. Because were not getting a top 12 pg to sign here.

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It's a shame they weren't able to trade Thaddeus Young to a contender for a late 1st Rounder. I guess they can still do something like that in the offseason.

Lonzo just came out and said he wants to stay in New Orleans. Chris Paul will opt out to sign a 1+1 deal but who knows if he will stay in Phoenix or go someplace else. Mike Conely and Kyle Lowry will be unrestricted. I love me some Dragic, but he's hurt way too often during this stage of his career. Dennis Schroder will sign with a bad team because they'll pay him the most money. Patty Mills from San Antonio would be an intriguing choice. That dude can shoot. Spencer Dinwiddie is another option as well coming off an ACL tear. Or bring back Derrick? I like Mills, Dinwiddie, or Rose being a placeholder until 2022 because I believe you might be able to land one of Westbrook, Wall, Curry, Kemba, or Irving the following summer.

This strikes me as a kind of a Ryan Pace/John Paxon desperation win now move. I thought the idea was to be patient, take this season to evaluate the team and build young from the ground up type thing. This seems like a very ‘we don’t have an actual plan’ moment.


I mean, this is a lottery team that should be in full ‘build’ mode that just tossed away 2 of the next 3 drafts so they can meddle around .500 and get bounced in the 1st round of the playoffs for the next few years.


It has a sort of Carlos Boozer vibe -but we don’t have a prime D-Rose and developing Jimmy Butler to compliment it.

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I can't agree or disagree with you on that, but I can guarantee Karnisovas thinks he can. I assume that's why he made this trade. And I also assume Markkanen is gone for something, hopefully not a bag of balls.

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Sounds like he’d bring back a 2nd round pick and a trade exception.

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Perfect summation of what I thought when this trade went down. I could understand this trade more if it was 2010 free agency all over again this summer..to show that Bulls are ready to win now and this team has moved on from circuses past. This is a move you make when you are ready to be a top 4 team in the East and not middling in NBA hell. I sure hope Vucevic’s feet, knees or back don’t start going bad or else Karnisovas will have to answer some difficult questions or pull a Pace and disappear.

No reasonable person would expect a trade exists that would make the Bulls competitive with the likes of Brooklyn or the Heat.

Noting that...can’t we just enjoy being slightly better? This was an obvious upgrade and having a decent team is better than having a mediocre team (albeit not as exciting as a good team).

Let’s not get sucked into dumbass Bernstein, THE GOAL IS TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS mode. The goal is to have an entertaining night watching a game, and I think this trade will lead to more of those nights this season.

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Yep.

Enjoy not sucking.

Baby steps.

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buried on Washingtons' bench is an oxymoron right?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

At first I thought they traded for this guy:

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I'm pretty comfortable with the now actualized return the bulls gave to the Magic

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Magic also own the pick in 23 too. I'm good with the trade for Vuk. If it pans out that pick in 23 will be in the 20's somewhere.

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