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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:09 am 
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Whether this is the Mac or the Pumpkins for mixtape purposes is up for a vote, I suppose.

I'll be honest, I haven't watched much of the Avs during their hot start, which is now cooling off quite a bit: lost their last three in regulation and four of the last ten. I do know that Giguere and the abuser of women were rocking like a .940 sv% for a while there, which was never going to last. Even when they were coached by a drooling simpleton, the Avs have always been a tough match for the Hawks because they play a similar run-and-gun style, which zigs from the West's typical plodding zags and catches the Hawks off guard. I wonder if the altitude has anything to do with it, too.

That Sakic and Roy are running hockey operations for the Avs shouldn't really be news to any of us. This whole thing with the star players taking over the organization feels really Pulford Blackhawks to me, just like the shitshow in Edmonton where anyone who shared a dressing room with Wayne Gretzky is allowed to make important decisions, but I think it's instructive to understand just how mismanaged and lifeless the Avs had been before Sakic/Roy. It's a twofold fall from glory: creepy old Stan Kroenke owns the Avalanche, the Nuggets, Arsenal FC, and the St. Louis Rams, but to buy the Rams, he had to divest his Denver interests on paper so as not to have a conflict of interest. Obviously, the hockey team wound up at #4 on that depth chart, and so the organization had really been run without any fucks given for about the last, oh, five or six years now. Joe Sacco coached that team into a ditch for years, but no one was minding the store enough to notice and fire him.

The other part, which I always found kind of weird, was the Avalanche's petulant response to the institution of a salary cap. Basically, if they couldn't buy their way to a championship, they wouldn't even try to build a cap-compliant contender, and so basically they just went on cruise control in the new NHL. Of course, Denver is a crowded sports market where people can also find better things to do than watch sports on TV, and so without the expectation of a championship, attendance went from a long sellout streak to around 9,000 a game. It's the same deal as Dallas: they were spoiled with ready-made superteams back in the cash-flush late '90s, which made hockey more a fad than a following. Take away the "we can buy anyone we want and always be good" dynamic and both hockey markets have since withered down to nothing.

I think Roy will flame out fast and run back to the loving embrace of the Quebec Remparts, but Sakic was always a cerebral player and could turn out to be a good GM or whatever they're calling him so as not to offend useless moron Greg Sherman. This roster is pretty good, but not as great as it had been playing to this point (or at least until a week ago). Nathan MacKinnon will be dangerous, Gabriel Landeskog already is, and Matt Duchene, as much as I hate the little pudwhack for celebrating every goal like it won the Stanley Cup, is quite talented as well. Jamie McGinn was a player the Sharks really should have held onto, seeing as they lost him for I want to say Daniel Winnik, who left for Anaheim anyway.

I was looking at penalty infraction minutes and was pleased to see a huge gap between Chicago's 8.4 PIM/game and Colorado's 14.7. But if you only look at minors, and not in the Patrick Kane way, you'll see both teams have 70 on the year, and that the difference is in the Avalanche's 14 majors and 6 misconducts (one game). Compare with the Hawks, who have only three majors on the year: two fights with Ryan Reaves, and one with Rich Clune. I don't know where the two misconducts came from. The point is, the Avs seem to have as much incidental contact as the Hawks, but also like to do dumb things a lot.

With Khabibulin pretty much nuked from the roster forever, I expect Crawford to start this game and then maybe give Raanta a chance against Winnipeg. Let's hope Hossa is back for the Hawks. Still not sure how he got hurt.

Hawks: 14-3-4, 11-5-5 adjusted, 26.380 points expected (overachieving by less than a point, who cares)
Avs: 14-5-0, no point inflation, 26.177 points expected (overachieving by about one win)

Hawks: 3.571 scored (1st!), 2.810 allowed (22nd), .762 differential (5th)
Avs: 3.105 scored (5th), 2.158 allowed (5th), .947 differential (4th)

Hawks: 15/71, 21.1% on the power play (8th); 45/61, 73.8% on the kill (29th)
Avs: 11/57, 19.3% on the power play (14th); 52/62, 83.9% on the kill (9th)

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Yea, we all saw this coming.

3 losses in a row and their defense is hot liquid shit, as it should be though. Easily the worst defensemen 1 through 6 in the entire NHL.

Speed vs Speed, Skill vs Skill. Avs will want to stop the losing streak while the Hawks will want to start the road trip off on a good note.

This should be an exciting game.


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Liquid shit defense, but 5th in GA...

I think I'll actually be able to watch this game in its entirety! :cheers:

And FWIW, the Pumpkins were all that, but Corgan should have left Landslide well alone. Nasally whine no good for tender tune.

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5th in GA but 23rd in shots allowed and when these guys give up shots, the majority are great scoring chances.

They're flat out bad.

As CH stated, both Valarmov and Giguere had save %s over .940, a stat that is pretty much impossible to maintain throughout the course of a season, even with the league's best defense.

Hawks will get their chances tonight, just need to bury.


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No worries we have Versteeg. Hossa coming back tonight?

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Q said that was the hope the other day; no word since. If Hossa can't go, I guess Brookbank has to play at wing again, and I am really not liking the cap situation right now if we can only afford to carry one scratch at a time.

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Maybe that gives Q less room to fuck around. I really can't believe that this year we finally lead in goals and suck on pp kill. Its not usual.

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Nope, Hossa is a scratch today.

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No Duchene for the Avs.


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Whatever happened to Zues? I thought he was supposed to be back a few weeks ago or is he getting extra time to heal since Pirri has been for real?

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I think they are stashing him with Khabi until the playoffs or some other later date.

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They look fucking awful . Gave up a bad bounce goal already and looks like they're a step slow.

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Now Bickells bad skating looks like it just got him hurt. What will they do without his one assist in 20 games .

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:32 pm 
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2 zip . Looking like blowout city .

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3-0, bring in the Fin.

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And theres the dreaded 3 goal lead. Antii Raanta , the spotlight is yours.

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Well that was fun.

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Well that was fun.

Which goal was the most fun?

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Well that was fun.

Which goal was the most fun?

Its like your kids. You really can't rank them. Unless you're Doctor Ken.

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Well glad I didn't watch this shit fest.

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Colorado just started the Let's go Hawks chant. Love it!


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Thank god, now I can go to bed.

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I hate watching games against Quebec. Nothing good comes of it. It just leads me to drink more and swear at the TV.

Also, fuck Patrick Roy.

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Missed the first two periods. Of course we're down 4-0 to the Avs.

I know they're fast but I just don't get why the Hawks have problems with these guys. Erik Johnson is their #1 Dman!


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Missed the first two periods. Of course we're down 4-0 to the Avs.

I know they're fast but I just don't get why the Hawks have problems with these guys. Erik Johnson is their #1 Dman!

I think what happened here is that an exhausted Crawford didn't play well and the Hawks were playing out of their game since 5 minutes in. You can't have a shit backup and expect that your primary will play out of his mind every game.

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