You guys are being way too reductive about this being nothing. Yes, Kaepernick is not Ali,but to pretend this is as empty as any Twitter beef is too hasty, especially given that it's coming in a context in which nearly all athletes these days generally try to appease their front offices and sponsors above all else. Brandon Marshall is losing sponsors for what he's doing; that's actual economic consequences to his actions, which is a bit more impactful than getting some partisans on the internet saying mean things about you.

Absolute scumbag to pull that stunt during 9/11 anniversary weekend.

This is how players should be handling it...

If you use a bunch of said drugs that you deal, I doubt you take home all that much money. It basically supports your habit.

To be a dopeman boy you must qualify
Don't get high off your own supply

The whole "it won't change anything" is a statement that has no value. It doesn't mean anything. Of course it probably won't change anything. Police are always going to murder innocent civilians in our nation. We empowered them to do so, and power doesn't voluntarily relinquish power.

Why are you getting upset? You boast about all you have here all the time and you don't think people are going to give you shots about it? I'm certain I'm not the first.

Yup. Lots of dumbass comments in this thread. I was clearly right about Kap starting a movement. Let's see:

- Went from one guy kneeling to dozens of players
- literally started a nationwide conversation about his protest
- a backup QB lead the league in jersey sales. Maybe Tebow did it, but I can't ever remember that happening

The whole "it won't change anything" is a statement that has no value. It doesn't mean anything. Of course it probably won't change anything. Police are always going to murder innocent civilians in our nation. We empowered them to do so, and power doesn't voluntarily relinquish power.

You guys are being way too reductive about this being nothing. Yes, Kaepernick is not Ali,but to pretend this is as empty as any Twitter beef is too hasty, especially given that it's coming in a context in which nearly all athletes these days generally try to appease their front offices and sponsors above all else. Brandon Marshall is losing sponsors for what he's doing; that's actual economic consequences to his actions, which is a bit more impactful than getting some partisans on the internet saying mean things about you.

Only dman can talk about dman's fat stacks of cash.

I guess I just don't understand the end game here. If every NFL player kneels for the anthem for the rest of time, what does that solve? It's not like people weren't aware of these issues until this goof took a knee. If they really wanted to wake people the fuck up, they'd stop playing football. But then they'd have to have actual demands that could be met.

And I'm not gonna be surprised if DiCaro loses her job eventually because of a Twitter beef. You'll have to ask her if it was worth it.

Yup. Lots of dumbass comments in this thread. I was clearly right about Kap starting a movement. Let's see:

- Went from one guy kneeling to dozens of players
- literally started a nationwide conversation about his protest
- a backup QB lead the league in jersey sales. Maybe Tebow did it, but I can't ever remember that happening

The whole "it won't change anything" is a statement that has no value. It doesn't mean anything. Of course it probably won't change anything. Police are always going to murder innocent civilians in our nation. We empowered them to do so, and power doesn't voluntarily relinquish power.

Refusing to play isn't an option

The nationwide conversation is about respect for the flag/anthem, not about the topic for which he is supposedly kneeling.

The donation of money from the sale of jersys will do much more towards solving the problem then a very hollow symbolic act.

Amzaing Grace and Chuck disagree.

Refusing to play isn't an option, unless the entire players union agrees. Even the good players would just be replaced and they lose their one platform to speak on these issues. Oh, and also refusing to play wouldn't change anything either. I'm not sure you can suggest something that would that these players can do. It's not up to them to get police to stop murdering people. It's up to people like you, me, and WaitingForRuffcorn. So things probably aren't changing.

FarveFan started a movement !

Why is it up to us and not the players? They have a far bigger national platform to call for change. If the NFL Union said they would not be playing next Sunday, and they called for other unions to join then with a list of demands people would take notice. And there would be action of some sorts. Look what happened with Mizzou football. Money is the only way to get change to occur, and shutting off the NFL funnel of cash would make powerful people notice.

If we joined together and said we would stand by the highway in protest of the police to support BLM on Sundays, the only people who would notice would be our bartenders.

If all police shootings stopped it would be a great thing, but it would hardly put a dent into the gun violence in the country.

I love that move. When the President calls the bad guys is a classic scene. Plus the song at the end is awesome.

It's up to us because there are 1500 NFL players and 300+ million of us. The fact is you and MANY others think police departments, as institutions, are not targeting black communities at a significantly disproportional rate. Until all of us wake up and realize they are, and demand that police are held accountable for murdering unarmed men, nothing will change. And MANY NFL players feel like you do, so that is why the NFLPA wouldn't come together for a united strike on something like this.

You guys do realize that Harrison Tweet was completely fake, right?

It's up to us because there are 1500 NFL players and 300+ million of us. The fact is you and MANY others think police departments, as institutions, are not targeting black communities at a significantly disproportional rate. Until all of us wake up and realize they are, and demand that police are held accountable for murdering unarmed men, nothing will change. And MANY NFL players feel like you do, so that is why the NFLPA wouldn't come together for a united strike on something like this.

No I actually did not. It would not have surprised me if he did say it though. He is really out there.

Again, if they wanted to protest all police shootings. Or say that they wanted police to stop carrying guns, I believe it would would be a far more significant protest. I believe the ideal that it is open season on black people by the police to be both incorrect and dangerous for both parties.

If we "realized this" it would change? Sounds like believing in fairies in Peter Pan. You honestly people that police departments hate black people so much that they target them for random executions? I don't believe that to be the case, and all you have on this is faith because I do not see statistics that support that assumption.

Again, if they wanted to protest all police shootings. Or say that they wanted police to stop carrying guns, I believe it would would be a far more significant protest. I believe the ideal that it is open season on black people by the police to be both incorrect and dangerous for both parties.

This is stupid. You're clearly not paying attention, at all. "Stop letting the police get away with murder" isn't vague at all. It's very specific.

Sorry, there is a large contingent of court cases that say that many of these officers ARENT getting away with murder.