To get the shot is the ultimate surrender to The Libs

I haven't seen that yet, specifically, but I certainly have seen both sides reveling in the other's misfortune. To be fair, when you see a conservative talk show host write song parodies about how covid isn't real and then promptly die of it, it's hard to ignore that.

I don't agree with The Libs that unvaccinated people should be left to die in the streets (or hospital parking lots, as the case may be), but from everything I've seen, it would really help everyone out a lot if they did get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it's a culture-war issue at this point, speaking of blind tribalism. To get the shot is the ultimate surrender to The Libs, and that's unconscionable for MANY.

I haven't seen that yet, specifically, but I certainly have seen both sides reveling in the other's misfortune. To be fair, when you see a conservative talk show host write song parodies about how covid isn't real and then promptly die of it, it's hard to ignore that.

I don't agree with The Libs that unvaccinated people should be left to die in the streets (or hospital parking lots, as the case may be), but from everything I've seen, it would really help everyone out a lot if they did get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it's a culture-war issue at this point, speaking of blind tribalism. To get the shot is the ultimate surrender to The Libs, and that's unconscionable for MANY.

That's part of what I mean. That's not a good thing.

What does the underlined mean? I'm not following.

I don't see it as a culture war for me or part of any tribe. It's a personal decision. It's me on my own saying I don't want to be forced or my kids to be forced into getting this for lots of reasons. There are basic principles that are being violated here. I really don't care what anybody else does or doesn't do and I feel bad for any negative consequences suffered as a result of the choices that really aren't great options. It's really sad what's going on.

It means that despite whatever cherry-picking conservatives do to maintain their anti-vaccine and anti-The Libs stance, the vaccines do work in mitigating infections and keeping people out of the hospital. If you don't want to be seriously ill, you're better off vaccinated than unvaccinated.

And it absolutely is a culture war. Suddenly there are all these middle-class moms talking about protecting their babies from the scourge of modernity like they're religious extremists. There was always the one kid in 6th grade who was opted out of the hepatitis shots because his parents thought there was an 11th commandment that said "thou shalt not inject inert viral material." Now that's just like the third of the country that always votes Republican.

It means that despite whatever cherry-picking conservatives do to maintain their anti-vaccine and anti-The Libs stance, the vaccines do work in mitigating infections and keeping people out of the hospital. If you don't want to be seriously ill, you're better off vaccinated than unvaccinated.

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I feel there are a lot of unanswered questions and there is no interest in answering those questions unless the answer is just get the vaccine which is weird.

I feel there are a lot of unanswered questions and there is no interest in answering those questions unless the answer is just get the vaccine which is weird.

There are some questions. What part of the problem is no matter what the answer to those questions are, even if they're rooted in common sense or science, you still question them. No answer is ever good enough for you. You will probably never get the vaccine, unless like you said a few pages ago something actually happens to your children covid related. That's probably the only thing that will ever change your mind at this point.

There are some questions. What part of the problem is no matter what the answer to those questions are, even if they're rooted in common sense or science, you still question them. No answer is ever good enough for you. You will probably never get the vaccine, unless like you said a few pages ago something actually happens to your children covid related. That's probably the only thing that will ever change your mind at this point.

What the fuck are we doing and why?

That’s your feelings talking. Maybe if I got some rational or logical answers with actual trustable data I’d change my mind. Maybe if things were at all consistent it would be different. That’s not what we’ve had this past year and it’s continuing.

That's part of what I mean. That's not a good thing.

I haven't seen that yet, specifically, but I certainly have seen both sides reveling in the other's misfortune. To be fair, when you see a conservative talk show host write song parodies about how covid isn't real and then promptly die of it, it's hard to ignore that.

I don't agree with The Libs that unvaccinated people should be left to die in the streets (or hospital parking lots, as the case may be), but from everything I've seen, it would really help everyone out a lot if they did get vaccinated. Unfortunately, it's a culture-war issue at this point, speaking of blind tribalism. To get the shot is the ultimate surrender to The Libs, and that's unconscionable for MANY.

The chances of being seriously ill are negligible with or without this vaccine .

What are the chances of being seriously ill with and without a COVID shot?

I think pretty low. But still significantly higher for those without the shot. Also, seems worth noting that the unvaxxed are almost exclusively the ones taking up all the ICU beds, causing shit like this to happen

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-h ... e-illness/

I'm at the point where I say treat the unvaxxed Covid patient if capacity is there, but when we hit capacity like that, triage decision should be to pull the plug on the unvaxxed patient to make the bed available for the other patient.

If you want to remain unvaxxed fine, but then don't expect a hospital bed to be made available for you if others need care.

I'm at the point where I say treat the unvaxxed Covid patient if capacity is there, but when we hit capacity like that, triage decision should be to pull the plug on the unvaxxed patient to make the bed available for the other patient.

If you want to remain unvaxxed fine, but then don't expect a hospital bed to be made available for you if others need care.

Seems reasonable to me.

Ironic, coming from a self-admitting chain smoker like yourself.

I think pretty low. But still significantly higher for those without the shot. Also, seems worth noting that the unvaxxed are almost exclusively the ones taking up all the ICU beds, causing shit like this to happen

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-us-h ... e-illness/