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I'm obviously not religious, .


just as a side conversation between buds, you say this but it really doesn't seem like you believe it. Sure you may not be an attendee but taking your posts collectively, your mindset seems more than just shaped by a religious foundation, it seems to currently co habitate with it.

Classic JORR. Lives like a heathen but gets cover from his buddies like you. Guy's got it figured out



I was a little ahead of the curve here. Uber-Atheist Richard Dawkins has suddenly realized what a world without Christianity might look like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COHgEFUFWyg


What is a "cultural Christian" and why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam? It is either April fool or this guy is an idiot.

Is that a serious question?

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A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.

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Why are you nice to others? Oh wait. You're not.

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A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.


wtf man. coming from someone else like caller bob i would be scrapin the froth off a cold bud light you know what i mean? but from you, yikes.

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.


As of 2022, 25.8% of the global population identified as Muslim, which is about 1.57 billion people. This makes Islam the second largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Another stereotype. 25.8% of the world is not pro-head chopping. There are extremists in every group, including athiests.

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.


As of 2022, 25.8% of the global population identified as Muslim, which is about 1.57 billion people. This makes Islam the second largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Another stereotype. 25.8% of the world is not pro-head chopping. There are extremists in every group, including athiests.


It's whatever the dominant religion their society is shaped by.

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So religious people are only nice to others because they view others as a creation of God?


A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.


Imagine a world where everyone simply followed all 10 of the commandments.

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.


As of 2022, 25.8% of the global population identified as Muslim, which is about 1.57 billion people. This makes Islam the second largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Another stereotype. 25.8% of the world is not pro-head chopping. There are extremists in every group, including athiests.


Islam is completely incompatible with any kind of country you want to live in. If you think it's "just a few extremists" you'll have to show me the Islamic country that has the kind of freedom you're obviously taking for granted.

Let me put it this way. If the U.S. had a majority of Muslims in the houses of Congress and a Muslim president, we'd be living under Sharia.

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JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.

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So religious people are only nice to others because they view others as a creation of God?



I gave a glib response to this above. It's not just that humans are a creation of God. It's that we are created in His image.

I assume you have no issue swatting a fly or stepping on a roach. I'm guessing you're not a vegetarian, so you participate in killing animals. All of these things are alive. Why do you feel comfortable killing them and not killing a human being?

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JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.

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I gave a glib response to this above. It's not just that humans are a creation of God. It's that we are created in His image.

I assume you have no issue swatting a fly or stepping on a roach. I'm guessing you're not a vegetarian, so you participate in killing animals. All of these things are alive. Why do you feel comfortable killing them and not killing a human being?
We need to tighten this up a little. Most species eat animals of other species and not their own. There are exceptions for sure. Anteaters don't eat other anteaters. They eat ants. However, there is a moral argument against eating animals but I'm eating all the same things that God has told me is ok to eat. I can promise you though that the reason I don't eat humans isn't because of religion.

As for swatting a fly or stepping on a roach, you illegally enter my house and I'm using my god-given 2A rights to defend myself.

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We need to tighten this up a little. Most species eat animals of other species and not their own. There are exceptions for sure. Anteaters don't eat other anteaters. They eat ants. However, there is a moral argument against eating animals but I'm eating all the same things that God has told me is ok to eat. I can promise you though that the reason I don't eat humans isn't because of religion.


There's a lot to get into here.

1) Do you consider human beings just another species of animal, equivalent to all others? Is there something that makes humans different than all those other animals?

2) By saying "God told you to eat something", you're confirming your belief in God, if not His existence.

3) I'm not suggesting you eat humans. But why don't you kill them when they annoy you the way you do a fly? Is it just because you fear legal repercussions? Because I don't believe that. I think you know- and you might even acknowledge- that killing another human is wrong. So then the questions becomes, why do you believe that?

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:lol: Now you're being glib.

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So religious people are only nice to others because they view others as a creation of God?


A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.


Imagine a world where everyone simply followed all 10 of the commandments.


Or the golden rule.

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So religious people are only nice to others because they view others as a creation of God?


A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.


Imagine a world where everyone simply followed all 10 of the commandments.


Or the golden rule.



Or the Code of Hammurabi.

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So religious people are only nice to others because they view others as a creation of God?


A society of non believers may be a little chaotic.


Imagine a world where everyone simply followed all 10 of the commandments.


Or the golden rule.



Or the Code of Hammurabi.


Lol, no thanks….

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.


As of 2022, 25.8% of the global population identified as Muslim, which is about 1.57 billion people. This makes Islam the second largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Another stereotype. 25.8% of the world is not pro-head chopping. There are extremists in every group, including athiests.


Islam is completely incompatible with any kind of country you want to live in. If you think it's "just a few extremists" you'll have to show me the Islamic country that has the kind of freedom you're obviously taking for granted.

Let me put it this way. If the U.S. had a majority of Muslims in the houses of Congress and a Muslim president, we'd be living under Sharia.


I do agree with you about our freedom being unique. Bad governments is what makes countries incompatible with any kind of country I want to live in, Islam or not. If I was told I must relocate to a Islam nation, I would be open to Malaysia or Turkey.

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JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.

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Nas wrote:
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JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.



Your reflex is ad hominem. It makes you look weak.

Why don't you refute my point? I suspect you can't.

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1) Do you consider human beings just another species of animal, equivalent to all others? Is there something that makes humans different than all those other animals?
In terms of eating I would. I doubt if I was a lion I would have any issue eating a human. Though, I'll also point out that there are many animals similar to humans that I also would not be interested in eating. I'm not eating Chimpanzee either. I do however agree that what we eat is often quite arbitrary even on an individual level.

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2) By saying "God told you to eat something", you're confirming your belief in God, if not His existence.
I'm a Catholic. I'm not a good one though. I have no issue with the fact that Catholics may be right.

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3) I'm not suggesting you eat humans. But why don't you kill them when they annoy you the way you do a fly? Is it just because you fear legal repercussions? Because I don't believe that. I think you know- and you might even acknowledge- that killing another human is wrong. So then the questions becomes, why do you believe that?
Well, you can't really reason with a fly. If a human was on my window I would ask them to leave. There would come a point though where I would have to use physical means to get rid of them. I actually do often give the fly a chance to fly into the screen door where I can remove them by opening it up and letting them return back to the real world.

There are circumstances where killing another human is wrong and circumstances where killing another human is not wrong. The same is true for animals. It's not like if the neighbors dog was barking I would go kill it. However, if it was attacking a kid I would. Of course, there is some level of hypocrisy but in general besides inside my own house I'm not intentionally killing any living being.

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why, to an athiest, is Christianity preferable to Islam?


There are many reasons. I might start with the head chopping.


As of 2022, 25.8% of the global population identified as Muslim, which is about 1.57 billion people. This makes Islam the second largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Another stereotype. 25.8% of the world is not pro-head chopping. There are extremists in every group, including athiests.


Islam is completely incompatible with any kind of country you want to live in. If you think it's "just a few extremists" you'll have to show me the Islamic country that has the kind of freedom you're obviously taking for granted.

Let me put it this way. If the U.S. had a majority of Muslims in the houses of Congress and a Muslim president, we'd be living under Sharia.


I do agree with you about our freedom being unique. Bad governments is what makes countries incompatible with any kind of country I want to live in, Islam or not. If I was told I must relocate to a Islam nation, I would be open to Malaysia or Turkey.



Those may be the two best choices. They aren't quite as overt with their Islamism as the majority. At least not right now. Though Turkey did conduct a genocide against Christians.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Nas wrote:
JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.



Your reflex is ad hominem. It makes you look weak.

Why don't you refute my point? I suspect you can't.


My search history says you're a liar and we've thrived as a country with Muslims and every "other" group that people like you are afraid of and try to get others to fear or hate.

That was easy!

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Nas wrote:
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Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.



Your reflex is ad hominem. It makes you look weak.

Why don't you refute my point? I suspect you can't.


My search history says you're a liar and we've thrived as a country with Muslims and every "other" group that people like you are afraid of and try to get others to fear or hate.

That was easy!


Again, where is the majority Muslim country where a non-Muslim has equal rights?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.



Your reflex is ad hominem. It makes you look weak.

Why don't you refute my point? I suspect you can't.


My search history says you're a liar and we've thrived as a country with Muslims and every "other" group that people like you are afraid of and try to get others to fear or hate.

That was easy!


Again, where is the majority Muslim country where a non-Muslim has equal rights?


Again, there are many non-Muslim nations where minorities do not have equal rights. MANY might say this includes the US.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Nas wrote:
JORR is always peddling fear of "others". It's so lazy and predictable.


You promote the fear of "others" too. You fear the KKK, right? And obviously you have thousands of posts showing your fear of Trump voters.

Is it just that you are the one who gets to decide who is worth "fearing"?

For whatever reason you want to carry water for people who hate your way of life, consider women property, and throw homosexuals off of buildings. That's on you.


More laziness and lies. No, I don't fear or hate anyone because of their politics or ignorant views.

For whatever reason you love peddling the same tired ignorance that's been peddled about every "other" group since our country has existed.



Your reflex is ad hominem. It makes you look weak.

Why don't you refute my point? I suspect you can't.


My search history says you're a liar and we've thrived as a country with Muslims and every "other" group that people like you are afraid of and try to get others to fear or hate.

That was easy!


Again, where is the majority Muslim country where a non-Muslim has equal rights?


I was in Egypt and the Christians appeared to be doing well. The women were outwardly more liberated than their Muslim counterparts.

Minorities in every country have some spoken or unspoken challenges that the majority doesn't have. That isn't unique to Muslim countries.

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Again, there are many non-Muslim nations where minorities do not have equal rights. MANY might say this includes the US.


That would be wrong though. In the U.S. minorities often receive special rights.

In any case, it's not a secret that Islam is incompatible with the U.S. Constitution. And there is no provision in Islam to "render unto Caesar." More like get on a winged horse and start killing infidels. And don't miss that Jew hiding behind the bush!

It's easy to shrug it off when Muslims are a small minority.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:46 am 
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One of the greatest documents in history- the U.S. Constitution- had to specifically separate government from religion because of all the wars that Christianity created. And that great document took a Civil War, several post war amendments, further Congressional actions, and Supreme Court rulings just to give equal treatment and voting rights to women and minorities.

So it is not an easy leap to go from what has existed throughout history to where the U.S. is today.

I am currently reading the Loom of Time, which directly addresses the inability of democracy to take root in the Middle East. One big reason is that most countries there have artificial borders, so no one group is able to garner a majority to get consensus on rule. It says the only forms of government that have ever worked there is empire or monarchy.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2024 9:50 am 
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Brick wrote:
In terms of eating I would. I doubt if I was a lion I would have any issue eating a human. Though, I'll also point out that there are many animals similar to humans that I also would not be interested in eating. I'm not eating Chimpanzee either. I do however agree that what we eat is often quite arbitrary even on an individual level.


That's just it. We aren't two lions having this conversation. Though I admit that if we were starving we might try to eat each other.

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Well, you can't really reason with a fly. If a human was on my window I would ask them to leave. There would come a point though where I would have to use physical means to get rid of them. I actually do often give the fly a chance to fly into the screen door where I can remove them by opening it up and letting them return back to the real world.

There are circumstances where killing another human is wrong and circumstances where killing another human is not wrong. The same is true for animals. It's not like if the neighbors dog was barking I would go kill it. However, if it was attacking a kid I would. Of course, there is some level of hypocrisy but in general besides inside my own house I'm not intentionally killing any living being.


True, the ability to reason is one thing that generally sets humans apart from other living things. But IQ isn't what makes us human. We aren't yet killing the mentally disabled. (Although in Canada it seems like they're starting to.) Once our society isn't undergirded with the idea that all human beings are created in God's image and have value, what is the barrier to doing whatever we want to each other?

The value and individual rights of human beings is a Christian concept.

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