Spraying pigshit on buildings isn't a revolution

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

But you were arguing about the value of guns in helping people stand up to the tyranny of governmental oppression and then provided an example where ordinary people did so without guns. Indeed, it was the very fact that the citizens were unarmed that allowed them to succeed.

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As you said above, the Iranian government had superior firepower and lost. Yet I've been told over and over again in this thread that The People could never defeat the U.S. government.

I disagree with your contention that the Iranian revolution was successful because of a lack of firepower.

And if the Iranian people had been armed perhaps there would have been no reason to revolt in the first place. I'm sure you agree that The People should not fear their government and that rather the government should fear The People.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

These things you’re describing assume we live in a world that operates on movie rules. It’s like you think there’s a narrative structure to our lives.

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Billy Zabka was a real dick to me throughout high school

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That's your assumption. All revolutions entail defeating a sitting government with ostensibly more firepower. But they happen. How?

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

Your example was a country that doesn’t have a second amendment.

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Again, I never said revolutions couldn't occur without a Second Amendment. With a Second Amendment perhaps they don't need to.

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

The hypothetical revolt against our government has to be popular among the general population but outside of the most extreme scenarios there are non-violent ways to deal with a revolt against the government with popular ideas.

For all the credit we give the Founding Fathers for knowing exactly how guns should be legislated for hundreds of years after they all died it also should be pointed out they thought the general population was stupid and untrustworthy and a strong skepticism that Democracy could actually function at a level above local politics. That's why pretty much everything was that anything that people vote for is either incredibly difficult to pass like Constitutional Amendments or was designed to be easily ignored if enough of the political class decided it should be ignored.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Which is true. Thus they created the Senate and the Electoral College and set up the federal government to have minimal impact, leaving anything not specifically addressed in the Constitution to the states.

Unfortunately, certain states insisted on allowing specific human beings to be held as property which rendered the entire thing illegitimate and forever cast aspersions on the concept of states' rights. And then hunger and desperation during the Great Depression allowed FDR to dismantle the Constitution.

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Hundreds of years? Didn't TJ talk of revolution every 20 years?

Welp looks like the waters have been sufficiently muddied. Time to move along.

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https://abc7chicago.com/highland-park-s ... /12026458/

Just say nothing guy. It’s literally the least you could do.

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If he wanted people to hate him and his family more than they already do, I'm not sure what he would says differently.

Are you ever surprised when a person with face tats does something else crazy?

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General Jim wears Fort Bragg down... to get it!

I initially thought the framing of the question: “do you feel guilty about getting him a FOID card” was a bit low, but then I remembered he signed off on it after his kid made threats to kill himself and his family. Soup brained behavior.

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Between the crazy, swat-flashing mom and the clueless idiot dad, it's a wonder this kid made it to 22 before he shot up a parade.

Can't forget about the uncle.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

There was no need for this kid to purchase 1 gun let alone 5 other than he had a fascination with guns. The kid was an unemployed high school dropout who welched and mooched off of his family til he couldn't take it anymore probably.
His idiot father should never have signed off on the intial FOID card in the first place seeing as there was no "plausible" reason to actually do so. As MANY continously have stated, he grew up in the rather "affluent" Highland and not the rather hood Garfield Park. No one was "at him" so there was no need for him to possess a gun in the first place. At 19 the father should have been asking him about college and job prospects instead of signing off on gun cards.

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I agree with you on this. I will also add that the local PD failed on making sure in notifying the State PD about his behavior. If they had done so he would not have gotten the FOID. Plus,when they responded to the second call they should have put him under a 72 hour mental health hold in a hospital,that would have also prevented the FOID

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

I'll tell you one thing I'm getting tired of hearing...
The NRA and it's lobby is responsible for not passing laws.
That's horseshit. The NRA doesn't vote on legislation. The senators and congressmen do. They're responsible for their own votes. Now I'm a gun owning pro 2nd guy as you all know but never once have I given one fuck about the NRAs score of a candidate.
When you complain about a lobby group what you're saying is that your campaign money is more important than representing your constituents.

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I was actually a bit surprised not to hear NRA too much on tv the last two times.

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Elections have consequences.

So this fucker shot an 8yr old. The child survived but his spinal cord was severed and he’ll be paralyzed the rest of his life.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

The sadist in me is jealous that 8yo will prob get more pussy 40 times over than I ever will

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the world will always the world. your entire existence is defined by your response.

This is a really good point. If we hadn't let a kid who tried to stab his parents buy a gun, he would have done 9/11.

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Honest question. If that kid didn't get a rifle, do you believe he'd never have killed people?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

At worst, he probably just offs himself. That's still a tragedy, but he wouldn't take another dozen innocent people with him.

Kids like this are lazy. I know he's an adult, but this is someone who was never going to grow up. You throw a few hoops he has to jump through to get his gun, he'll get bored and hopefully throw himself off a bridge instead.

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Nothing we can do. Best to ignore it.

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People are so gullible/stupid.

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Sherman remarked, "Well, Grant, we've had the devil's own day, haven't we?" Grant looked up. "Yes," he replied, followed by a puff. "Yes. Lick 'em tomorrow, though."