Why not?

You said it is never a big deal. That's absolutely made up. I can prove at least one time it was a big deal. Do you think I cannot?

I am against the killing of innocent civilians in other countries and in our own. Did you think I felt otherwise?

I haven't heard a lot of angst from you about it. I will take your word for it. My point is that we need to look at the bombing of these countries whenever we rail against terrorism. There is a direct correlation. Antipathy towards the U.S. is based on policy not culture or religion. History supports this too.

Whenever people talk about "attacks against America" It's laughable and also insulting.

I hardly think anyone complaining in this thread gave 2 shits when we killed thousands of civilians via drone strikes. The Dems were silent because it was Obama doing it and the Republicans were silent because they supported the strikes.

I hardly think anyone complaining in this thread gave 2 shits when we killed thousands of civilians via drone strikes. The Dems were silent because it was Obama doing it and the Republicans were silent because they supported the strikes.

I would love to hear Ogie's thoughts on Israel, a country that has a lot in common with North Korea.

That's not even worthy of a response. Now go back to ripping off people via Uber.

Yep. The spin about Muslims wanting to kill Americans with every dying breath falls flat once you begin to tally the number of military deployments located inside Muslim countries. Yeah they really are on the attack aren't they?

Right. Because if out-of-control human rights abuses are your thing Israel is the place to go.

honestly, the US and Europe could learn a thing or two from them about keeping the fucking Muslims out.

third party estimates put civilian deaths from drone strikes at about 500 over 6 years.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/05/do- ... asualties/

Privilege is a dog whistle for those terms and everyone knows it. We get it, you're happy a white kid got tortured to death by North Korea.

I haven't heard a lot of angst from you about it. I will take your word for it. My point is that we need to look at the bombing of these countries whenever we rail against terrorism. There is a direct correlation. Antipathy towards the U.S. is based on policy not culture or religion. History supports this too.

Whenever people talk about "attacks against America" It's laughable and also insulting.

The problem is that most of the terrorist attacks these days aren't even attempted against us. It's now them vs. virtually everyone including some other Muslim groups.

If it is about America and our actions why are they destroying historical sites and artifacts in huge numbers?

I mean, given that I believe you don't even think Israel has a right to exist I'm pretty sure that you aren't exactly the most neutral observer to this either.

I think you have the wrong ideas on Israel. It's a democracy with a free press and freedom of religion. You view on the human rights abuses is heavily distorted. Israel has problems, they are working on them though, but I can at least say Israel (unlike the US) faces a direct existential threat that can justify some of the unsavory things they do.

I can at least sleep well knowing Israel has made proper overtures for peace, and maybe one day the Palestinians will have their own Sadat so that peaces can occur. As of now, they've had nothing but thieves running the PA who rob the aid treasuries to enrich themselves. They reject every fair offer without so much as a counter-offer as they need to be stateless to keep their scam going to rob from UNRWA. Eventually the Palestinians will get fed up with the corruption of their leadership and a Sadat will step forward. On that day there will be peace.

I would argue that most of the terrorism (ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc.) is all geopolitics

You really cannot keep your shit straight.

It would be difficult for a religion that demands the establishment of a worldwide Caliphate to ignore geopolitics.

It would be difficult for a religion that demands the establishment of a worldwide Caliphate to ignore geopolitics.

I would argue that the terror groups themselves aren't the real players here, but their state sponsors are.

I think this conflict and the factors/history are well above your level of understanding. I'd suggest traveling to the MidEast if you ever get a chance. You might learn a thing or two.

Who was the state sponsor of Al Queda?

I'm sure you'll get the unvarnished truth living in a country that literally put up a massive wall around itself. I dont need to live in Israel to know how they operate, enough has been written on that already.

You hate the police, but seem to love police-states.

It's such a tired argument, and not even relevant to the thread at all. Why are the Muslims the only ones committing terrorist acts if intervention in their countries is the sole criteria to justify terrorism?

Who was the state sponsor of Al Queda?

Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, Qatar, and Afghanistan (pre 2001 war) were state sponsors.

Even when some of those countries cut ties (Saudia Arabia for example), their ruling class doesn't and continues to funnel funds an material support for them.

You realize Israel doesn't have a wall around itself, right? Border with Egypt has no barrier (except around Eilat and that was due to Eritrean and Sudanese migrants crossing from Egypt rather than security threats). Jordanian border is wide open in the Arava Valley. They have a security barrier in built up areas, but that concrete fence you see on the news only exists in very built up areas. Most areas of the West Bank have no security fence, but once again you don't know any of that because you're completely ignorant and unprepared to discuss this topic.

Israel is hardly a police state and if you spent just 24 hours there you would see that. Your ignorance is showing through here.