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Not sure that's the best way to live. It's pretty cold.

And yet you're the one defiantly walking around not wanting to get a vaccine to help protect others.

Pick a lane.



Here are the lanes: Either your vaccine protects you, in which case shut the fuck up. Or it doesn't, in which case, why would I get one?

This has already been asked and answered multiple times over multiple threads by multiple people.

You know the answer. You don't like it. Fair enough, but you don't need to keep asking.


It hasn't been answered. Because there is no answer. It's not about safety. It's about telling others what to do. Which is where collectivism always ends up. Because collectives don't make decisions. The individuals controlling the army do.

You were a collectivist when you joined this board :lol:

But yes, it has been answered. It's obviously about protecting society as a whole, and freeing up ICU beds for those that need them, like the soldier who died because routine gall bladder surgery couldnt be performed because too many dumb fucks out there are scared of a perfectly safe vaccine.


Theoretically, I still am. There's just no way collectivism works for a nation of 300 million without ending in death and destruction.

Regardless, the fact that we have an inadequate healthcare system is not a basis for the removal of my rights.

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Speaking of lies....

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let alone those who are now faced with chronic health issues.
Can you provide some actual numbers supported by real evidence?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Not sure that's the best way to live. It's pretty cold.

I guess so. We’re not children. Everyone is responsible for the choices they make and the consequences that come from those choices. I’ll save my sympathy for those that didn’t cause their own deaths.



Right. And when someone has chronic illness/issues from a rushed vaccine they were coerced into getting I'll feel sorry for them. I certainly won't be celebrating it.

I'll feel sorry for them too. How could you not when they are the 1 in 100 million to get that type of side effect?



That's patently false. If you and Frank were really confident you wouldn't need to lie the way you are. About 200 million Americans have been vaccinated. I assure many more than 2 have died from the vaccine, let alone those who are now faced with chronic health issues.

Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate. There aren't hundreds of people fucked up from the vaccine.

So, call me a liar if you want, but you know my underlying point is 100% correct. So you need to quibble with the extra 0. Gotta latch on to something!

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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.

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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.



Obviously not. There are clearly far more than 1 in 10 million adverse reactions from these vaccines.

But if you really believe that to be the case, I better understand your position.

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Can you provide some actual numbers supported by real evidence?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.



Obviously not. There are clearly far more than 1 in 10 million adverse reactions from these vaccines.

But if you really believe that to be the case, I better understand your position.

Ok. Give me the data.

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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.



Obviously not. There are clearly far more than 1 in 10 million adverse reactions from these vaccines.

But if you really believe that to be the case, I better understand your position.

Ok. Give me the data.

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The silence has been deafening.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Change it to 1 in 10 million. And that would be fairly accurate.


It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.



Obviously not. There are clearly far more than 1 in 10 million adverse reactions from these vaccines.

But if you really believe that to be the case, I better understand your position.

Ok. Give me the data.

<JORR scurries to his Twitter feed.>


Still too stupid to understand what Twitter is.

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Perfectly safe for everyone.

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Asked to address the possibility of underreporting of COVID-19 vaccine-related "cardiac complications," McCullough said he thought the CDC was "overwhelmed" by the massive increase in reports of vaccine adverse events.

"The CDC every year with all the vaccines combined get about 16,000 safety reports and about 25 deaths reported to the VAERS system. So far with COVID-19 they've received over 300,000 safety reports, over 6,000 deaths, nearly 20,000 hospitalizations, I think they're completely overwhelmed," he assessed.

Regarding COVID-19 vaccine effects being observed, he noted, "What we're seeing is a really disturbing pattern in those individuals under age 30, and that's myocarditis, and that's where the spike protein [induced by the COVID-19 vaccine] replicates inside heart muscle cells, damages the heart muscle cells and results in chest pain, EKG changes, positive troponin signs and symptoms of heart failure."

"20 percent of these kids are developing abnormal echocardiograms with reduced left ventricular function. And in terrible cases like this, they actually die. So I think vaccination ought to be completely prohibited in anybody under age 30. That would simplify the picture greatly," he concluded.


https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News ... spx/309030

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Ok. Give me the data.


Do we have any honest verifiable data or data that isn't controlled by the media?


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Ok. Give me the data.


Do we have any honest verifiable data or data that isn't controlled by the media?

We must have some verifiable data. JORR's a good guy, he wouldn't call me a liar without evidence. That's why I'm just waiting for it so I can correct my previous post.

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You see the VAERS numbers above. They don't fit your narrative though.

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You see the VAERS numbers above. They don't fit your narrative though.

I see them printed in the Daily Telegraph, the same rag that already has been hit by regulators in Britian for Covid misinformation.

I thought you didn't trust the media JORR. I'm asking you for the data. You implied you had it. Do you not?

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It certainly would not. I have no idea where you're getting this propaganda, but propaganda is what it is.

Now you’re the one lying.



Obviously not. There are clearly far more than 1 in 10 million adverse reactions from these vaccines.

But if you really believe that to be the case, I better understand your position.

Ok. Give me the data.

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Still too stupid to understand what Twitter is.


And yet here is Board Herpes defending JORR and the nitwits on the Twitter like clockwork.

Dude, he's not gonna fuck you. Just let you blow him.

Weirdo.

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AND IT SHALL REMAIN THAT WAY

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Vaccines work in so far as you wont die if you get it. masks dont appear to do a fucking thing. its annoying a lot of people confuse the two.

Masks are the public health equivalent of TSA security theater

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You see the VAERS numbers above. They don't fit your narrative though.

I see them printed in the Daily Telegraph, the same rag that already has been hit by regulators in Britian for Covid misinformation.

I thought you didn't trust the media JORR. I'm asking you for the data. You implied you had it. Do you not?



You're free to look at the VAERS teports on the CDC website yourself. I assure you adverse events are far more frequent than 1 in 10 million.

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You're lying!

Ok, show me the data.

Find it yourself on the CDC site.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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You're lying!

Ok, show me the data.

Find it yourself on the CDC site.

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Ruffcorn just posted it above. But you know what? I fon't really care if you think there's only 1 adverse event for every 100 million vaccines. It will just be one more time you're wrong.

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You see the VAERS numbers above. They don't fit your narrative though.

I see them printed in the Daily Telegraph, the same rag that already has been hit by regulators in Britian for Covid misinformation.

I thought you didn't trust the media JORR. I'm asking you for the data. You implied you had it. Do you not?



You're free to look at the VAERS teports on the CDC website yourself. I assure you adverse events are far more frequent than 1 in 10 million.

You moving the goalposts on me now? We were talking chronic illnesses and death before.

Pretty soon you’re gonna have me on that report talking about my sore arm for a day.

I expected better after the accusation of lying. Maybe I shouldn’t have. I’ll assume the data you’ve been referencing doesn’t exist unless shown otherwise.

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For sure. By "Adverse reactions" he absolutely means minor rashes, sore arms, hangover feelings, and other incredibly small side effects

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*for a virus most people will have absent any symptoms.

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*for a virus most people will have absent any symptoms.

Does that really matter when the discussion is revolving around the *fact* that in multiple regions of the country people are dying because of lack of ICU beds due to folks who are unvaccinated filling them up?

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Is some of that due to staffing issues? What’s normal at capacity? How many icu beds do some of these hospitals have? What are the COVID patients ages or general health status?


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Is some of that due to staffing issues? What’s normal at capacity? How many icu beds do some of these hospitals have? What are the COVID patients ages or general health status?

The doctors talking about it have made it abundantly clear it’s due to folks being irresponsible and not getting vaxxed. They are not ambiguous at all about this.

But sure, it’s because of a staffing shortage :lol:

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Really ? How many people are dying of other things while those nasty unvaxxed are filling up ICUs ? We have numbers on that ? Where are they dying ? What are they dying from ?

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