Really ? How many people are dying of other things while those nasty unvaxxed are filling up ICUs ? We have numbers on that ? Where are they dying ? What are they dying from ?

The doctors talking about it have made it abundantly clear it’s due to folks being irresponsible and not getting vaxxed. They are not ambiguous at all about this.

But sure, it’s because of a staffing shortage

You have no idea if a vaccine would have prevented deaths. We don’t know is the only real answer yet. Good to see Mr. Libertarian down with mandates though.

CNN had something on it. https://www.wavy.com/news/health/corona ... nt-surges/

Capacity for some hospitals is 85%. Some hospitals have 10 or less beds. Vaccinated are still getting the virus or a virus that’s similar. Who knows? I’m pretty sure they aren’t being honest about it whether it’s drs or the media, idk. There have been times in the last year where the media reports a big hospital crisis and then the hospital comes out and says it’s not true.

It’s not irresponsible to not be vaccinated.

Your last sentence is just plain fucking dumb and every possible data point we know supports it being just plain fucking dumb. It’s not worth mincing words about at this point.

Who am I being irresponsible toward or with and how?

Sorry you feel that way.

Yes, we do know. Unless you think there’s a worldwide conspiracy by doctors to all tell us the wrong info about what’s causing the deaths. I believe you may be dumb enough to think that though so I get it.

Please tell me where I endorsed mandates and I’ll retract it, apologize, and tell you that you were correct. I’m guessing you’re gonna have a hard time with that though since you’re full of shit when it comes to stuff like this.

Who am I being irresponsible toward or with and how? The vaccinated are vaccinated and are protected. There is no need for them to fear anybody. Statistically at my age and a person in my health condition should be okay even if I had COVID. Some unvaccinated people probably had COVID and don’t need the vaccination. I may or may not be one of them. I should have freedom to exist and I should have a choice especially in light of all the shady shit that has gone on this past year. I think this is important. Why do you trust any of this? I don’t think this is about health anymore and I don’t think it has been for a long time.

2 weeks to flatten the curve, 100 days, but there will be another pandemic, they are already guaranteeing that.

Really ? How many people are dying of other things while those nasty unvaxxed are filling up ICUs ? We have numbers on that ? Where are they dying ? What are they dying from ?

The vaccine is good for you.

Well, a couple notes there, even though I find the post interesting.

I don’t think there’s two parallel treatments based on political party. I think the anti vax folks are very largely just saying this shit isn’t a big deal, no treatment needed. Until they get sick enough to require an ICU bed. It’s just the truly weird who are taking the horse and dog medicine for it.

As others have said, the anti vax shit isn’t tribalism even though it’s portrayed that way. Lebron James and Lamar Jackson aren’t Trump guys. There’s a huge reluctance to the vaccine in minority communities too. White conservatives aren’t the only idiots here. It does a disservice to the “just take the shot you dumbass and no I’m not mandating you take it” message to label them Republicans. Call out the other dipshits too.

Also, you can tell how political it is for some people just from the language they use. Take "anti-vaxx" for example. I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm very pro-vaxx. I think FavreFan should take 100 boosters a month if he wants to.

Then take one. Or sit outside at LaScala for your meal. In November.

Also, you can tell how political it is for some people just from the language they use. Take "anti-vaxx" for example. I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm very pro-vaxx. I think FavreFan should take 100 boosters a month if he wants to.

Nope. I'll go where my business is appreciated and a lot of the businesses that think they can just throw away 30% of their customer base will probably go under. I won't feel bad.

And seriously, I have little inclination to listen to the same people who screeched "LAWS OFF MY BODY!" and "IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTIONS, DON'T GET ONE" for the last fifty years lecture me about what I should put in my body.

Being against the COVID vaccine is equally nutty as the anti vax autism folks. It’s a fair and accurate term for this discussion.

Nope. I'll go where my business is appreciated and a lot of the businesses that think they can just throw away 30% of their customer base will probably go under. I won't feel bad.

And seriously, I have little inclination to listen to the same people who screeched "LAWS OFF MY BODY!" and "IF YOU DON'T LIKE ABORTIONS, DON'T GET ONE" for the last fifty years lecture me about what I should put in my body.

I'm not against it. I'm happy it'd available and that it makes you feel safe.

You try to discount it and you crap on it every single chance you get. But you're not against it.

That's some serious pretzel logic.

You try to discount it and you crap on it every single chance you get. But you're not against it.

That's some serious pretzel logic.