Point remains that whatever threat existed was initiated by the U.S.

Containment strategy was created by Kennan well before there was a Cuban Missile crisis.

Again you have a strange way of conceiving history. Soviet aggression throughout the Cold War existed primarily in eastern Europe. Can you say the same regarding U.S. aggression? If that doesn't perfectly illustrate the nature of the threat nothing will.

_________________

Again, you contradict your own premise and affirm the premise of those that disagree with you.

_________________

What does any of that have to do with Nazis and Milo?
S

Missiles were pointed at the U.S. as a reaction of the U.S. pointing there missiles at the Soviets. Because your arguments are so one sided you can never quite seem to be objective. If Soviets exercising their right to defend themselves constitutes a threat them so be it.

I'm going to state this then keep it pushing. It really is quite obvious from.reading these threads that there are MANY that believe in "American exceptionalism". No matter the scenario they will find justification for American actions. When presented with facts they simply ignore them.

At no point in history were the Soviets ever going to initiate an attack against the United States. When I speak of threat that is what I'm referring to.

_________________

Wow. ltg's answer to everything seems to be "The United States is at fault".

Yeah, Russia was just a victim in the Cold War.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Yeah and yours and others seems to be that the U.S. is never at fault. Between the two extremes there is a happy middle ground so we should be all good.

_________________

They didn't start the Cold War.

_________________

Where have I said the U.S. is never at fault or anything close to it?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The next time you address U.S. transgressions will be the first time that you address it. You aren't alone though.

_________________

Again, you claim something that is invalid.

In each case with me in this thread, you allege I claimed the US is never at fault when I never did.

You then backtrack and make my point while alleging that somehow I am the one that is not objective.

And now you claim that you or I would actually know how close the Soviet Union came to sending a strike.

_________________

This is wrong. Stop making things up.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

_________________

By all accounts Soviet position throughout the Cold War was always defensive. The Cold War was not started by them also. U.S. was the threat and the Soviets reciprocated if anything. Even during the aforementioned missile crisis a defensive posture was taken. When you fail to acknowledge any of this it renders you biased. I never stated that they weren't "A Threat. I stated that it was never the threat that it was made to be. check the rhetoric from that era. Listen to the speeches. Hell read the biographies of McCarthy and Hoover.

_________________

When have you ever addressed them or come out against them? If I'm wrong I will be able to live with myself. Trust me I will.

_________________

Well, I don't really feel the need to share my "America sucks resume" but I've said for years that the Iraq War was wrong and GW was a terrible President because of it.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I can read all the biographies ever printed and still feel that people pointing nuclear weapons at me are a threat. to me.

Reading history and counting the bodies pushed into mass graves by Communists is just an added point.

_________________

Yeah, ltg seems to care greatly about Palestinians but has no care in the world about my dead relatives from the Communists.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I'm neither a Communist sympathizer nor American apologist.

_________________

Have you ever heard of the Able Archer crisis?

_________________
When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

You are certainly apologizing a lot for the Russians today.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is revisionist bullshit. The Cold War was started when the Soviets withdrew a pledge to allow Democratic elections in Poland postwar and turned all of Eastern Europe into either satellite states or annexed them into the Soviet Union.

The people of Eastern Europe were conquered first by the Nazis and then found themselves once again conquered by the Soviets. They did not become free people until 1989-1991.

Also as far as missiles are concerned, the Soviets had the first ICBM so technically they pointed missiles at the US first.

_________________
“When I walked in this morning, and saw the flag was at half mast, I thought 'alright another bureaucrat ate it.'" - Ron Swanson

It's unassailable fact that communism is a nastier, deadlier and generally just more contemptuous ideology than even fascism. Seriously, first you defend Islam and now the Soviets? Lmao, are you sure you're not a college lesbian living in a dorm room somewhere?

Anything that doesn't promote American propaganda will always be viewed as a defense of something. Stalin was a threat to his own people and nothing more. I'm lumping in Eastern Europe. He wasn't much of a threat to the U.S. We started wars against communist countries in far away lands. They didn't. He was concerned about controlling satellites. We declared it a "Cold War" along with Churchill. Without the evil Stalin we don't win WWII either. He was a wretched evil man but it still doesn't make him a threat to the U.S.

Can you please enlighten the board on which U.S. actions you have ever come out against?

_________________

This was what I was trying to say with the telling people what they think thing

Cant you just debate the topic without trying to discredit the person you're arguing with? In fact I KNOW that you can.

It's not a question as to whether it's a vile ideology.

Another of the misrepresenters steps in to add little or nothing. Where you been champ? By the time this is done all of the board elites will have spoken.

_________________

RPB with all due respect you would have much more credibility if you for once ever called them out for trying to tell me what I think. I'm well into double digits in this thread alone. Not once have you addressed any of it either.

_________________

Blaming us for the Cold War like we were the bad guy is a defense of Russia. You are correct.
I'm not going to share my "America is bad resume" but we were wrong to invade Iraq the second time.

You really think I'm some blind nationalist homer?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The US could've won the war alone. Without America feeding and supplying the Red Army for years they get rolled over. All the Allies needed were a bunch of warn bodies they could manufacture weapons for, if not the USSR it would've been the Raj or somebody else. Maybe even the Chinese. Perhaps the Us alone would have enough manpower after a few years of mobilization.

They wanted no part of Hitler. Thank God for that also. Neither did Stalin but Hitler forced his hands on that.

_________________

Not as bad as some but I just don't recall you being critical about anything foreign policy related.

_________________