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Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:26 am ]
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denisdman wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
There will be a call to federalize law enforcement.


Been tried in Mexico, and that ain't working well either. You end up having the army doing civil law enforcement. They can't even nationalize education. No way the locals let the Feds handle law enforcement.


I don't think it's a good idea.

But there will be calls for it.

Where's Scorehead?

Author:  denisdman [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:29 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
There will be a call to federalize law enforcement.


Been tried in Mexico, and that ain't working well either. You end up having the army doing civil law enforcement. They can't even nationalize education. No way the locals let the Feds handle law enforcement.

I'm not entirely clear on whether it's even copacetic Constitutionally speaking.

Plus, look at federalized security services like the TSA ... I mean, it doesn't get more blue-ribbon than that outfit of fuckwits and ne'er-do-wells ... the WalMart Greeters of the security industry.


The 10th Amendment has long since been run over by the Interstate Commerce and Supremacy Clauses. The Supreme Court rarely decides things based on the 10th Amendment since the FDR administration.

But politically it won't work. The police unions are one of the few places where Dems and Repubs both fight for support. For all of Scott Walker's union changes in Wisconsin, I believe he exempted the police and fire unions (as an example).

Author:  denisdman [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:29 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
There will be a call to federalize law enforcement.


Been tried in Mexico, and that ain't working well either. You end up having the army doing civil law enforcement. They can't even nationalize education. No way the locals let the Feds handle law enforcement.


I don't think it's a good idea.

But there will be calls for it.

Where's Scorehead?


I know, but I'm not telling.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:32 am ]
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He's probably enjoying Kirkland hot dogs and vodka courtesy of CHUSE.

He was a big proponent of having the National Guard on every street corner.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:33 am ]
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conns7901 wrote:
A lot of people are up in arms on my facebook feed the cops didn't kill this guy, only shot him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FkzbTf-KM


On mine too. I think they handled it correctly but I could be wrong.

Author:  Douchebag [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:33 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
He's probably enjoying Kirkland hot dogs and vodka courtesy of CHUSE.

He was a big proponent of having the National Guard on every street corner.

Not every corner. Just certain ones.

Author:  denisdman [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:33 am ]
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I don't think there is a law based solution to this. It doesn't appear that body or cop car cameras are going to change behavior enough.

It is a societal/cultural issue. There is an open distrust between police and the communities in which they serve. And race/socioeconomic status plays a big part in it.

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:39 am ]
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Baby McNown wrote:
Where's that fucktwit PittMike to defend this guys right to carry and be beyond pissed about this shooting?


Out here on the left coast. Just woke up and having a coffee. Sorry I wasn't monitoring your requests as I slumbered.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:46 am ]
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denisdman wrote:
I don't think there is a law based solution to this. It doesn't appear that body or cop car cameras are going to change behavior enough.

It is a societal/cultural issue. There is an open distrust between police and the communities in which they serve. And race/socioeconomic status plays a big part in it.


From what I understand this was the first police shooting in this area in 30 years. This doesn't appear to be an area where you should be on edge in.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:50 am ]
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No such thing as a good cop. It's an inherently immoral profession.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:00 pm ]
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The whole thing isn't that far removed from the South Park "It's comin' right for us" episode.

Author:  conns7901 [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:05 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
It is a societal/cultural issue.


I think White people in general tend to take the officers side. Particularly in the City of Chicago and surrounding areas. A lot of that has to do with so many people having friends and family members who are cops. When the video came out with the black officer slamming the NW professor in New Orleans the cop was generally celebrated on my facebook feed. When cops do shoot, beat or kill white people it is almost never brought up and when it is the person on the receiving end is to blame.

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:06 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
No such thing as a good cop. It's an inherently immoral profession.


As dumb as JORR's "No such thing as a good Muslim".

Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:12 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
No such thing as a good cop. It's an inherently immoral profession.


As dumb as JORR's "No such thing as a good Muslim".

Probably, but I'm at least curious about the reasoning behind that opinion.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:26 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
No such thing as a good cop. It's an inherently immoral profession.


As dumb as JORR's "No such thing as a good Muslim".

Apples and oranges. Someone being a Muslim shouldn't affect me at all. A police officer has to enforce immoral laws using violence or the threat of it. Their actions directly affect all of us.

Author:  Spaulding [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:27 pm ]
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For the most part I think the laws we have are pretty good.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:39 pm ]
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Spaulding wrote:
For the most part I think the laws we have are pretty good.


The enforcement is generally the biggest problem.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:03 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
For the most part I think the laws we have are pretty good.


The enforcement is generally the biggest problem.


Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:06 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


Very true. Not sure why anyone would ever want to become a cop in today's world.

And we will never really know what happened in the moments right before he shot the guy in the car. Looks horrible and the cop very well maybe completely guilty....but whether he is or not the court of public opinion has determined him 100% guilty.

Awful situation. The poor child that had to be in the car while that happened? Her life is forever impacted because of such violence.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:07 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
No such thing as a good cop. It's an inherently immoral profession.


As dumb as JORR's "No such thing as a good Muslim".

Apples and oranges. Someone being a Muslim shouldn't affect me at all. A police officer has to enforce immoral laws using violence or the threat of it. Their actions directly affect all of us.


I thought you were originally referencing the affect the job has on the person.

I'm not sure what you mean about immoral laws they are enforcing. Give an example? Is legislator or judge an inherently immoral job?

Author:  Baby McNown [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:15 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Where's that fucktwit PittMike to defend this guys right to carry and be beyond pissed about this shooting?


Why the anger man? Isn't that the entire reason our society has crap like this happen?

No the reason we have crap like this happen is because of people like the NRA and Mike who think everybody should be packing, yet go silent when somebody who was legally packing and told the cop he was legally packing (as he should have) and is now dead for a busted tail light. Where is their outrage and full throated defense of this poor guy.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:17 pm ]
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Baby McNown wrote:
denisdman wrote:
Baby McNown wrote:
Where's that fucktwit PittMike to defend this guys right to carry and be beyond pissed about this shooting?


Why the anger man? Isn't that the entire reason our society has crap like this happen?

No the reason we have crap like this happen is because of people like the NRA and Mike who think everybody should be packing, yet go silent when somebody who was legally packing and told the cop he was legally packing (as he should have) and is now dead for a busted tail light. Where is their outrage and full throated defense of this poor guy.
Huh?

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:19 pm ]
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Interesting. I will fold my hand behind my head and kick up my feet for a while. Maybe that will give you time to search for the quote where I said everyone should be "packing" or that I was an NRA member. I will check in periodically.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:20 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
For the most part I think the laws we have are pretty good.


The enforcement is generally the biggest problem.


Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


I don't think that's fair. We aren't complaining about a copy detaining the wrong guy or making some minor error. MANY people are upset with excessive force and abuse of all citizens and primarily minorities. MANY people are upset with the use of deadly force in instances where it doesn't appear force was necessary. MANY people are upset with the appearance that ALL cops are above the law.

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:24 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


Very true. Not sure why anyone would ever want to become a cop in today's world.

And we will never really know what happened in the moments right before he shot the guy in the car. Looks horrible and the cop very well maybe completely guilty....but whether he is or not the court of public opinion has determined him 100% guilty.

Awful situation. The poor child that had to be in the car while that happened? Her life is forever impacted because of such violence.


I disagree. A loud minority of people have a problem but the overwhelming majority of the public support cops and generally give them the benefit of the doubt in all cases and at times go out of their way to excuse their behavior.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:27 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


Very true. Not sure why anyone would ever want to become a cop in today's world.

And we will never really know what happened in the moments right before he shot the guy in the car. Looks horrible and the cop very well maybe completely guilty....but whether he is or not the court of public opinion has determined him 100% guilty.

Awful situation. The poor child that had to be in the car while that happened? Her life is forever impacted because of such violence.


I disagree. A loud minority of people have a problem but the overwhelming majority of the public support cops and generally give them the benefit of the doubt in all cases and at times go out of their way to excuse their behavior.


I am not really seeing that today I guess. It seems everyone I read or hear are agreed that the cop is guilty here. I don't see people supporting cops and giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:29 pm ]
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I don't think most people hate cops. They hate the fact that cops seemingly have almost nothing that ever holds them accountable.

Honestly, the only time I can remember the cops getting in serious trouble is the cops that shot this kid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jeremy_Mardis

Author:  Nas [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:31 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Nas wrote:
RFDC wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


Very true. Not sure why anyone would ever want to become a cop in today's world.

And we will never really know what happened in the moments right before he shot the guy in the car. Looks horrible and the cop very well maybe completely guilty....but whether he is or not the court of public opinion has determined him 100% guilty.

Awful situation. The poor child that had to be in the car while that happened? Her life is forever impacted because of such violence.


I disagree. A loud minority of people have a problem but the overwhelming majority of the public support cops and generally give them the benefit of the doubt in all cases and at times go out of their way to excuse their behavior.


I am not really seeing that today I guess. It seems everyone I read or hear are agreed that the cop is guilty here. I don't see people supporting cops and giving him the benefit of the doubt.


I don't think I said anything one way or another when it came to this. I have seen people on Facebook defending the cop.

Author:  RFDC [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:42 pm ]
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It just seems to me the reaction to this Minn shooting is different.

Hopefully that will lead to good things in the future. Sucks that someone has to lose their life tho for things to change.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:43 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Nas wrote:
Spaulding wrote:
For the most part I think the laws we have are pretty good.


The enforcement is generally the biggest problem.


Cops are asked to act as mini judges several times per day. One error in judgment negates hundreds of correct judgments.


I don't think that's fair. We aren't complaining about a copy detaining the wrong guy or making some minor error. MANY people are upset with excessive force and abuse of all citizens and primarily minorities. MANY people are upset with the use of deadly force in instances where it doesn't appear force was necessary. MANY people are upset with the appearance that ALL cops are above the law.


The use of deadly force is a perfect example of my statement.

Excessive force is a problem. It has been since the first cop was given responsibility to enforce the first law. I don't think a police officer wakes up in the morning thinking he will kill someone today. I do think some wake up in the morning ready to use a baton.

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