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Joe Orr Road Rod
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Here's some reprehensible "social justice":

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Really? You're going to grudgingly feel bad for a U.S. citizen captured and beaten for nothing and tacitly support people who suggested it was justice because he was a "privileged white male" and a "dumb" one at that? If so, I'd say your moral compass needs calibration.


I didn't once mention race, gender or even familal wealth, but your own biases seem to be showing.

What he did and you bizarrely seem to support was smart assed behavior at best that no sensible parent should wish their kid should ever engage in. I don't really give a damn what his nationality is either. It was a dumb stunt by a clearly immature kid. And sadly one of the wierdest nation states caught him in the process.

As DT mentioned above the hysterically irate (like the author of your piece cited)would have a better case trying to silence an irritated dog. But let's focus on the latest Trumpet to cry about the meanie libtard.


Nah, what you said is fucked up. There is no relative justification for it.


It's fucked up to talk common sense? I never once said that his treatment was anything other than obscene(which I believe) just that yet another "conservative" is whining about the perhaps tone deaf commentary from someone they otherwise joke about being libtard snowflakes. Which is hypocritical and obscene

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Seriously, who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to go to North Korea?

I'm not saying he deserved it, but I'm saying this is worthy of a Darwin Award.

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Here's some reprehensible "social justice":

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/poli ... tice-left/


Really? You're going to grudgingly feel bad for a U.S. citizen captured and beaten for nothing and tacitly support people who suggested it was justice because he was a "privileged white male" and a "dumb" one at that? If so, I'd say your moral compass needs calibration.


I didn't once mention race, gender or even familal wealth, but your own biases seem to be showing.

What he did and you bizarrely seem to support was smart assed behavior at best that no sensible parent should wish their kid should ever engage in. I don't really give a damn what his nationality is either. It was a dumb stunt by a clearly immature kid. And sadly one of the wierdest nation states caught him in the process.

As DT mentioned above the hysterically irate (like the author of your piece cited)would have a better case trying to silence an irritated dog. But let's focus on the latest Trumpet to cry about the meanie libtard.


Nah, what you said is fucked up. There is no relative justification for it.


It's fucked up to talk common sense? I never once said that his treatment was anything other than obscene(which I believe) just that yet another "conservative" is whining about the perhaps tone deaf commentary from someone they otherwise joke about being libtard snowflakes. Which is hypocritical and obscene


You're my guy and you seem pissed. I disagree 100% with your position here, but I still respect you. I'm done with this one.

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Seriously, who the fuck thinks it's a good idea to go to North Korea?


Nobody. Question answered. No need to bring it up again (not just you, anyone).

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leashyourkids wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Here's some reprehensible "social justice":

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/poli ... tice-left/


Really? You're going to grudgingly feel bad for a U.S. citizen captured and beaten for nothing and tacitly support people who suggested it was justice because he was a "privileged white male" and a "dumb" one at that? If so, I'd say your moral compass needs calibration.


I didn't once mention race, gender or even familal wealth, but your own biases seem to be showing.

What he did and you bizarrely seem to support was smart assed behavior at best that no sensible parent should wish their kid should ever engage in. I don't really give a damn what his nationality is either. It was a dumb stunt by a clearly immature kid. And sadly one of the wierdest nation states caught him in the process.

As DT mentioned above the hysterically irate (like the author of your piece cited)would have a better case trying to silence an irritated dog. But let's focus on the latest Trumpet to cry about the meanie libtard.


Nah, what you said is fucked up. There is no relative justification for it.


It's fucked up to talk common sense? I never once said that his treatment was anything other than obscene(which I believe) just that yet another "conservative" is whining about the perhaps tone deaf commentary from someone they otherwise joke about being libtard snowflakes. Which is hypocritical and obscene

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I want to see the Venn diagram of the people that are outraged by this and the people that wonder out loud "why that girl was wearing that skimpy outfit" when she was raped.

Going to North Korea is like accepting a drink from Bill Cosby. If you do it you might end up with a cool story to tell, but it's far more likely that you're going to get fucked.

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If Trump was really insane you would think something like this would really set him off.....makes you wonder...

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Seriously....of all the places on the planet you could go, you choose North Korea?


Exactly. But for MANY around here, let's suspend common sense and work up more faux populist outrage


It's not populist outrage. It's sad he was tortured to death.

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Pissed? No.

It's really just reminiscent of some of the dumb interactions I had at a similar age. If something had happened, in part it would been prompted by my own actions. And should mitigate the ginned up outrage that many have here.

It's kinda like the mother in Baltimore who saw her kid doing dirt in the riots. She didn't want anyone going off on him for his wanton stupidity, but she went upside his head for being stupid.

And yeah, his parents really should be a bit more introspective imo.

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Seriously....of all the places on the planet you could go, you choose North Korea?


Exactly. But for MANY around here, let's suspend common sense and work up more faux populist outrage


It's not populist outrage. It's sad he was tortured to death.


Agreed wholeheartedly about the kid. But the crocodile tears coming from that opportunist (& clowns like Hannity) is more than a bit much.

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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


Who did that? Who even implied it other than certain types in the media and their followers?

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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


No one is saying that. They're saying don't be surprised that there's a chance you'll end up dead if you visit North Korea.

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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


No one is saying that. They're saying don't be surprised that there's a chance you'll end up dead if you visit North Korea.


So in which circumstances is blaming a victim okay?

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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


No one is saying that. They're saying don't be surprised that there's a chance you'll end up dead if you visit North Korea.

That's not terribly insightful ... in fact, it's a waste of everyone's time to type or say it.

Frankly, it's so obvious that people should be ashamed to even bother bringing it up.

It has no actual bearing on this situation because all that matters is some kid was all but murdered by some fucked up foreign country. There is nothing that needs, or deserves, to be appended to that.

Inexplicably, there are MANY fools around the country trying to grind their axe in some asinine effort to make this some sort of socio-political teachable moment.

There's a time and place.

This ain't either fucking one of 'em.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


No one is saying that. They're saying don't be surprised that there's a chance you'll end up dead if you visit North Korea.

That's not terribly insightful ... in fact, it's a waste of everyone's time to type or say it.

Frankly, it's so obvious that people should be ashamed to even bother bringing it up.

It has no actual bearing on this situation because all that matters is some kid was all but murdered by some fucked up foreign country. There is nothing that needs, or deserves, to be appended to that.

Inexplicably, there are MANY fools around the country trying to grind their axe in some asinine effort to make this some sort of socio-political teachable moment.

There's a time and place.

This ain't either fucking one of 'em.


Bravo!

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Don Tiny wrote:
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No one should be killed cor stealing a poster.
To suggest otherwise is insane.


No one is saying that. They're saying don't be surprised that there's a chance you'll end up dead if you visit North Korea.

That's not terribly insightful ... in fact, it's a waste of everyone's time to type or say it.

Frankly, it's so obvious that people should be ashamed to even bother bringing it up.

It has no actual bearing on this situation because all that matters is some kid was all but murdered by some fucked up foreign country. There is nothing that needs, or deserves, to be appended to that.

Inexplicably, there are MANY fools around the country trying to grind their axe in some asinine effort to make this some sort of socio-political teachable moment.

There's a time and place.

This ain't either fucking one of 'em.


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Seriously....of all the places on the planet you could go, you choose North Korea?

Can't believe a fratboy from the University of Virginia didn't think rules applied to him.

He didn't deserve to die, but he made at least two very stupid decisions.

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Seriously....of all the places on the planet you could go, you choose North Korea?

Can't believe a fratboy from the University of Virginia didn't think rules applied to him.

He didn't deserve to die, but he made at least two very stupid decisions.


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I know this isn't a popular take, but when you do something as retarded as traveling to North Korea, where this type of thing is actually known to happen, then don't be surprised if you don't come out of it alive.

Seriously, this is a case where the victim can be blamed for being a moron and you can also have anger at the Korean regime for being barbarians.

This guy deserves a nomination for a Darwin Award.

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Most times when something bad happens to a person it's because they have done something many of us might consider stupid.

I really hope I never see a post about victim blaming from anyone who is now pointing out that visiting North Korea is stupid.

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I know this isn't a popular take, but when you do something as retarded as traveling to North Korea, where this type of thing is actually known to happen, then don't be surprised if you don't come out of it alive.

Seriously, this is a case where the victim can be blamed for being a moron and you can also have anger at the Korean regime for being barbarians.

This guy deserves a nomination for a Darwin Award.

You already said that, Chumley. You did so on this very same page even.

It was dumb the first time ... now it's embarrassing because you're repeating yourself.

Are you seeking some bored member's accolades and/or affirmation because of your dimwitted take on the matter or what?

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Don Tiny wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
I know this isn't a popular take, but when you do something as retarded as traveling to North Korea, where this type of thing is actually known to happen, then don't be surprised if you don't come out of it alive.

Seriously, this is a case where the victim can be blamed for being a moron and you can also have anger at the Korean regime for being barbarians.

This guy deserves a nomination for a Darwin Award.

You already said that, Chumley. You did so on this very same page even.

It was dumb the first time ... now it's embarrassing because you're repeating yourself.

Are you seeking some bored member's accolades and/or affirmation because of your dimwitted take on the matter or what?

Seriously, it's not like the brutality of North Korea was some secret. If anyone mentioned the very idea of going to North Korea, I'm pretty sure the universal reaction would be "are you crazy!"

This guy actually did that so I really can't say I'm surprised with the result. General rule, but if a country is ruled by a leader who executes rivals via 20mm AA gun, don't visit that country.

If you do, damn right you're a dumbass when the inevitable happens. Now if only we can get them to keen Rodman while he's over there.

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Do I hear the sound of butting in? It's gotta be little Don Tiny, CFMB's answer to a a QUESTION NO ONE ASKED!

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Someone please remind me again why I'm supposed to care about these idiot adventure travelers with more money than functioning brain cells?


he'll be attending Fyre Festival next year

nailed it :lol:

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Someone please remind me again why I'm supposed to care about these idiot adventure travelers with more money than functioning brain cells?


he'll be attending Fyre Festival next year

nailed it :lol:

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Do I hear the sound of butting in? It's gotta be little Don Tiny, CFMB's answer to a a QUESTION NO ONE ASKED!

Of course you realize this means you're getting punched right in the muff.

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If Bernstein was still doing fun stuff instead of being a twat, I'd say the #1 seed on the Tournament of Bad would be "Vacationing in North Korea"

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