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Author:  Seacrest [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:08 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
why not prostitution

Pretty much every reason for the other legislation from this weekend also applies to prostitution as well.

Hey, we need the dues!

Do you think it should be illegal?


I already said in the post above, if you accept all of the reasons for legalizing gambling, marijuana and abortion, I think it is logically consistent to accept them for prostitution.

I don't think we would be a better society because of it.

I do think it would create a healthier industry for all interested parties for a service many partake in even when illegal...and think of all the tax revenue.


I think it should be legalized. I tend to have a very libertarian outlook when it comes to social issues, i.e. as long as no one is harmed... But I am open to being persuaded that personal autonomy should not be the highest value. I'm not sure that Western Civilization can be separated from traditional Christian morality.

The Sohrab Ahmari-David French beef touches on issues like this.


It can be, but it will not survive.
Author:  Telegram Sam [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:10 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The Sohrab Ahmari-David French beef touches on issues like this.



Is this similar to a French Dip, because I find that just a lame-ass Italian Beef, and, as such, should still be banned.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:12 pm ]
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Don't worry Donald Trump will save Christian Morality.
Author:  Seacrest [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:17 pm ]
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Telegram Sam wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
The Sohrab Ahmari-David French beef touches on issues like this.



Is this similar to a French Dip, because I find that just a lame-ass Italian Beef, and, as such, should still be banned.


https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusi ... french-ism
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:17 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
Don't worry Donald Trump will save Christian Morality.



I think Ahmari's take is that there isn't a better option to do so.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:23 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Don't worry Donald Trump will save Christian Morality.



I think Ahmari's take is that there isn't a better option to do so.


He's a fool. You cannot use evil to achieve good.
Author:  Curious Hair [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:29 pm ]
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If the only hope for good Christian values is a walking caricature of crass wealth who gets into feuds with Rosie O'Donnell and the ghost of John McCain, then bye-bye, horse, let me just close this here barn door.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:32 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
You cannot use evil to achieve good.


Was it evil to drop a bomb on Nagasaki? Did it achieve good?
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:33 pm ]
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It was not evil.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:35 pm ]
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Morality predates Christianity.

Western civilization will be fine.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:36 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
It was not evil.



Of course it was. It needlessly fried thousands of civilians.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:37 pm ]
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WRONG
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:37 pm ]
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Christian morality is pretty messed.

You can't do this this or that, but I can.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:38 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Morality predates Christianity.

Western civilization will be fine.


Morality is nothing more than what we find acceptable. Of course, it predates Christianity. But whether you want to acknowledge such or not, the prevailing morality in the U.S. during your lifetime is- not just informed by- but nearly completely a product of Christianity.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:40 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
WRONG



I'm going to argue that burning a city of a quarter million with a radioactive bomb is just a little more evil than talking shit with Billy Bush. But hey, maybe I'm the one with the busted moral compass here. Who knows?
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:41 pm ]
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maybe if you have a simplistic understanding of the situation and morality itself.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:43 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Morality predates Christianity.

Western civilization will be fine.


Morality is nothing more than what we find acceptable. Of course, it predates Christianity. But whether you want to acknowledge such or not, the prevailing morality in the U.S. during your lifetime is- not just informed by- but nearly completely a product of Christianity.

Which uses common sense rules/values that have existed for thousands of years like..."don't steal"
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:44 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
maybe if you have a simplistic understanding of the situation and morality itself.


You're doing nothing more than justifying an evil that you believe achieved a good. I'm not sure how it could be described any other way.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:45 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Morality predates Christianity.

Western civilization will be fine.


Morality is nothing more than what we find acceptable. Of course, it predates Christianity. But whether you want to acknowledge such or not, the prevailing morality in the U.S. during your lifetime is- not just informed by- but nearly completely a product of Christianity.

Which uses common sense rules/values that have existed for thousands of years like..."don't steal"



Is that a common sense rule? Really? One of the most popular politicians in the U.S. is running on a platform of theft.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:47 pm ]
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Violence is not inherently evil. A cop shoots a dude between the eyes that's holding a knife to a woman's neck. Not evil. This is not hard.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:48 pm ]
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Here is the French-Ahmari feud explained:

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusi ... french-ism

Quote:
(What prompted my ire was a Facebook ad for a children’s drag queen reading hour at a public library in Sacramento.)
Author:  Seacrest [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:48 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
maybe if you have a simplistic understanding of the situation and morality itself.


Morality is a pretty simple concept.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:48 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
Violence is not inherently evil. A cop shoots a dude between the eyes that's holding a knife to a woman's neck. Not evil. This is not hard.


Thou shall not kill. The exceptions are where the rules break down.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:49 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
maybe if you have a simplistic understanding of the situation and morality itself.


Morality is a pretty simple concept.


LOL. Apparently not.
Author:  WaitingforRuffcorn [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:49 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
It was not evil.



Of course it was. It needlessly fried thousands of civilians.


Interesting take on the bombings:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/th ... talin-did/
Author:  Seacrest [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:51 pm ]
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Hatchetman wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
maybe if you have a simplistic understanding of the situation and morality itself.


Morality is a pretty simple concept.


LOL. Apparently not.


Do you really think that sinners never do good?

Or that all leaders should be above moral reproach before we listen to them?
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What's Our Next Vice To Legalize
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Morality predates Christianity.

Western civilization will be fine.


Morality is nothing more than what we find acceptable. Of course, it predates Christianity. But whether you want to acknowledge such or not, the prevailing morality in the U.S. during your lifetime is- not just informed by- but nearly completely a product of Christianity.

Which uses common sense rules/values that have existed for thousands of years like..."don't steal"



Is that a common sense rule? Really? One of the most popular politicians in the U.S. is running on a platform of theft.

Kirkwood wrote:
Christian morality is pretty messed.

You can't do this this or that, but I can.
Author:  Seacrest [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:53 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
Christian morality is pretty messed.

You can't do this this or that, but I can.


What?

I think you mean Islam.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:55 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote:
Do you really think that sinners never do good?

Or that all leaders should be above moral reproach before we listen to them?


1. The goodness of an action is measured by the intention of the action, not the result. We are all sinners. However, some amoral individuals have no desire to be anything but.
2. Not sure what you're getting at, but I don't ever listen to habitual liars.
Author:  Kirkwood [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:57 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Christian morality is pretty messed.

You can't do this this or that, but I can.


What?

I think you mean Islam.

Sure, both pretty cancerous.
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