While I applaud Leash and his evolution (Not to be confused with Prince and the Revolution) there are a number of presumptions made that cannot simply be ignored. First off the politicization of every single argument needs to cease and desist. If there is a problem with the way things function that would be it for me. Truths are only relative to the political affiliation associated with the person holding said "truths".


Secondly no one misread Trump. Trump ran on a political slogan that harkened back to a time when minorities and women were discriminated against. He also ran a campaign to discredit the only black President that this country ever had. One of his chief advisors was a known white nationalist. White supremacist groups overwhelmingly supported his campaign.


This isn't an example of a paranoid "left" as these are facts. Sometimes things simply are what they are. What I also dislike is the incessant need to generalize everything as a means of discrediting and refuting arguments. If you suggest that a sizable portion of Trump's support was driven by racism somehow it becomes "all of Trump's voters were racist". If you suggest that one person is a bigot then somehow you are suggesting that all are bigots. If you suggest that some people dislike the NBA because of the racial aspect then it becomes all that dislike the NBA are racist.


That is what needs to stop IMO. As Brick correctly stated that are loons on both sides. It is not exclusive to one side.

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What LTG said

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Yeah, totally absurd.

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McNown, I don't know how many ways we can explain this to you... no one "goes hard" at you because of your views. I get annoyed with you because you can't have a civil conversation and start name-calling immediately. I'd respond the same way no matter what your views were.

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Leash. I don't know how many ways I can explain this to you.... I asked a civil and legit question based on your mission statement that you wrote. You chose to go down the road of again blaming me. Maybe you should realize you are a part of the problem.

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That ended the thoughtful responses to Leash's post.

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Hey you can't say I didn't try.

I don't think you meant it that way, but just to be clear, my opinions are my own. My opinions are not dictated by which "side" holds the same opinions. They are mine and mine alone.

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I don't feel that much of what you've written here is a response to anything I wrote. I don't know what your first paragraph means. Your second paragraph starts by saying generalizations are bad and ends with you again saying that a sizable portion of Trump voters are racist. And I don't disagree that there are "bad people on both sides." I never argued otherwise.

I want to keep this civil, so I say it just as an objective observation, but it seems like you kind of read what I wrote and then responded with a blanket "Trump is bad and so are most of the people who support him" which has little or nothing to do with anything I wrote. My description of how my perspective has changed was as much about my own self-realization as it was any political affiliation.

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While your self realization is to be commended if that is what you feel you need it simply feels as if you substituted one stereotypical line of thinking for another stereotypical line of thinking

Even though you stated that you weren't really choosing sides it is obvious that you were. When you state that the "Left" is among the worst or the absolute worst or whatever it was then its difficult to suggest that you are being fair and balanced.

You also have tended to tread down the road of Trump the victim that others have been championing for awhile. If your journey has taken you there then fine but it seems as though you are blaming "the left" for having pushed you there.
The use of the term "left" is in of itself a generalization. To say that you aren't using generalizations even as you use that term is disingenuous.

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My point about Trump was that it is unfair and un-American to single out people who vote for him and act like they are pariahs. And if I wanted to defend Trump, I would just outright do it because there's nothing automatically wrong with that. I have voiced my hatred for Trump from the very beginning. My references to the "Left" were more regarding the media, though I do see how you would have inferred what you did. My complaint has nothing to do with a run-of-the-mill Democrat. That's what I was raised as. I should have been more specific, though.

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Wow.

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I dont want to speak for anyone else directly, but I suspect what is happening to leash is exactly what happened to me.

Media, academia and the bureaucracy seem to all be in agreement with the general principle that being white is bad and that being a white man is doubly bad (unless you are carrying extreme amounts of white guilt regarding events that happened literally centuries ago). It is absolutely obvious. To deny it is like denying the existence of the moon. You know its on a dark path when the saying "its OK to be white" is considered hate speech. Look back throughout history and once the rhetoric takes this tone its extremely rare for it to not accelerate and become extreme. Leash has a fucking kid, a kid I assume is white, how the fuck do you expect a guy to react to this shit?

The leftist media bashes Trump. ok. Its no different than the right wing media that incessantly bashed Obama or even Clinton for that matter. Hannity, Rush, and Fox News owe much of their success to non stop attacks on left wing thought.

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White people really have been a plague on this planet, going as far back as the early days of the agricultural revolution. Watching the Kentucky Derby today just reinforces it. 150,000 white people come together to wear weird fucking hats and watch animals run in a circle for two minutes but pay a whole bunch of money to be there.

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#staywoke

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Sort of, but I would say my fear is more of an attack on Western values. America was established based on basically one thing: Liberty. It just bothers me how easily people now want to give up freedom for imaginary protection or so they won't offend someone. And we've pretty much completely given up on the idea that our armed forces should be seen as exempliary people who we go out of our way to thank and take care of... because, you know, they sacrifice their fucking lives for our safety.

People always laugh at the cheesy phrase "freedom isn't free," but it's true. Mocking it is just a byproduct of the cynicism and postmodernism that has become so pervasive in our society.

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I'm not drunk enough yet to understand what you just said.

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Liberty for whom? This is one of the fundamental problems that i have whenever discussions such as this arises. There is an almost instinctive impulse which invariably ignores the feelings of African Americans. Liberty for African Americans didn't exist when this country was founded.

If anyone particularly an African American chooses to focus on racial elements involved with Trump then it shouldn't be viewed as a problem.

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For a sports message board, we have an amazing number of political pundits.

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Like Leash i too have a degree in Political Science.

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Do you remember anything from it? I don't remember much, though I guess my basic frame of reference probably came from it.

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Ah, fair enough. Continue on.

Actually, I did take a course on globalization and its amazing how much of the stuff the professor talked about has come true.

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I studied POLS too.

http://www.antisem.eu/yakub-nation-islam/

Learn yourself some real history my brother

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Not really. I remember one my professors predicting that the Internet would be huge.

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Christ what ever with these last couple pages...
Baby mac won this fuckin thing. Phone call over.

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Pretty well said. Tho I expect there will be a couple of people to come in and try to point out that 'Liberty' doesn't exist for 'this group' or 'that group'. Because being a victim of something is all the rage these days it seems.


So, 'Liberty' essentially might as well be a curse word or racial slur, because said people are going to react to it that way lol

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