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I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?



What's wrong with Australia?

They don't believe in freedom.


Their federal and regional governments are biiiig into censorship. No guaranteed freedom of speech in any constitution there, and "hate speech" has both criminal and civil penalties.

Yup. It's all a problem

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JORR, do you believe the U.S. is using max resources and putting forth max effort in any of the recent Middle East conflicts?

Also, the guys talking about the possibility of a government coming after them just elected the guy who would be most likely to do it. I find that sort of funny.



Sure, we could drop a nuke, the U.S. obviously has superior firepower and can't really overcome these ragtag jihadis. It was the same in Vietnam. It's hard to defeat people who really believe in a cause. And eventually, rebels get help from other powers as a strategic measure.

I'm not sure what you're talking about in your second sentence. I didn't vote for Trump and I'm pretty sure Ogie and BRick didn't either.


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I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?


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This dude took some hits on the gambling side which contributed to this. No doubt about it. Brother stated that he'd stay in Casino hotels 4 months at a time. Big time gambler which means he took big time losses. No doubt about it.


Is this a bit?



No it isn't. While people are focusing on the very predictable "mental illness" and gun law angle this dude was clearly a degenerate gambler. If you want to speculate on something that was a leading contributor this would be it. His actions on Sunday were caused by an addiction to gambling.


Wouldn't that better explain him massacring the casino, then? If he had massive gambling debts (still liquid enough to wire $100K to the Philippines), why plan out an attack on an outdoor concert? He was also ostensibly enough of a whale to warrant being in the MGM's most exclusive VIP club, so he was rich enough to sustain losing money long enough to get invited to that club, so him losing his shirt and pushing the eject button on life at this exact moment seems far-fetched. Not impossible, just on the outer edges of plausibility.

Outwardly, the guy doesn't fit any mass shooter profile that we've become accustomed to. There's certainly a lot more to learn about his motivations, but based on present evidence this looks like a pretty big turn of his personality. Can brain tumors cause irrational, psychotic stuff like this?



This cat was running through 20-30 stacks a day for weeks on end. Nerves frayed I'm sure. That 100 stacks that you referenced may have been owed to the Casino. Why else would he feel the need to wire it out of the country? A guy like that has $100,000 markers I'm sure. There is no way to know without a note but if I had to venture a guess I'd say it was gambling related.

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Been almost two days. Where's the motive? Guy had to leave a note or some shit somewhere.


Rumors coming out stating he was transferring large amounts of money overseas, they are trying to track to whom and where.

Also there was an Iraq wae vet 2 floors below who was calling the cops telling them he was right above. From what they guy said he could even tell when the guy was changing weapons. He not just on full auto all the time he was doing aimed shots as well.

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?



What's wrong with Australia?

They don't believe in freedom.


Why is FF speaking for Australians? Seems like the kinda thing he'd be against. Let's let them speak for themselves:

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Norway has jumped from 4th place in 2016 to 1st place this year, followed by Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland in a tightly packed bunch. All of the top four countries rank highly on all the main factors found to support happiness: caring, freedom, generosity, honesty, health, income and good governance. Their averages are so close that small changes can re-order the rankings from year to year. Norway moves to the top of the ranking despite weaker oil prices. It is sometimes said that Norway achieves and maintains its high happiness not because of its oil wealth, but in spite of it. By choosing to produce its oil slowly, and investing the proceeds for the future rather than spending them in the present, Norway has insulated itself from the boom and bust cycle of many other resource-rich economies. To do this successfully requires high levels of mutual trust, shared purpose, generosity and good governance, all factors that help to keep Norway and other top countries where they are in the happiness rankings.

All of the other countries in the top ten also have high values in all six of the key variables used to explain happiness differences among countries and through time – income, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on in times of trouble, generosity, freedom and trust, with the latter measured by the absence of corruption in business and government. Here too there has been some shuffling of ranks among closely grouped countries, with this year’s rankings placing Finland in 5thplace, followed by the Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia and Sweden tied for the 9th position, having the same 2014-2016 score to three decimals.


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This dude took some hits on the gambling side which contributed to this. No doubt about it. Brother stated that he'd stay in Casino hotels 4 months at a time. Big time gambler which means he took big time losses. No doubt about it.


Is this a bit?



No it isn't. While people are focusing on the very predictable "mental illness" and gun law angle this dude was clearly a degenerate gambler. If you want to speculate on something that was a leading contributor this would be it. His actions on Sunday were caused by an addiction to gambling.


Wouldn't that better explain him massacring the casino, then? If he had massive gambling debts (still liquid enough to wire $100K to the Philippines), why plan out an attack on an outdoor concert? He was also ostensibly enough of a whale to warrant being in the MGM's most exclusive VIP club, so he was rich enough to sustain losing money long enough to get invited to that club, so him losing his shirt and pushing the eject button on life at this exact moment seems far-fetched. Not impossible, just on the outer edges of plausibility.

Outwardly, the guy doesn't fit any mass shooter profile that we've become accustomed to. There's certainly a lot more to learn about his motivations, but based on present evidence this looks like a pretty big turn of his personality. Can brain tumors cause irrational, psychotic stuff like this?



This cat was running through 20-30 stacks a day for weeks on end. Nerves frayed I'm sure. That 100 stacks that you referenced may have been owed to the Casino. Why else would he feel the need to wire it out of the country? A guy like that has $100,000 markers I'm sure. There is no way to know without a note but if I had to venture a guess I'd say it was gambling related.


His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?



What's wrong with Australia?

They don't believe in freedom.


Why is FF speaking for Australians? Seems like the kinda thing he'd be against. Let's let them speak for themselves:

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Norway tops the global happiness rankings for 2017

Norway has jumped from 4th place in 2016 to 1st place this year, followed by Denmark, Iceland and Switzerland in a tightly packed bunch. All of the top four countries rank highly on all the main factors found to support happiness: caring, freedom, generosity, honesty, health, income and good governance. Their averages are so close that small changes can re-order the rankings from year to year. Norway moves to the top of the ranking despite weaker oil prices. It is sometimes said that Norway achieves and maintains its high happiness not because of its oil wealth, but in spite of it. By choosing to produce its oil slowly, and investing the proceeds for the future rather than spending them in the present, Norway has insulated itself from the boom and bust cycle of many other resource-rich economies. To do this successfully requires high levels of mutual trust, shared purpose, generosity and good governance, all factors that help to keep Norway and other top countries where they are in the happiness rankings.

All of the other countries in the top ten also have high values in all six of the key variables used to explain happiness differences among countries and through time – income, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on in times of trouble, generosity, freedom and trust, with the latter measured by the absence of corruption in business and government. Here too there has been some shuffling of ranks among closely grouped countries, with this year’s rankings placing Finland in 5thplace, followed by the Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia and Sweden tied for the 9th position, having the same 2014-2016 score to three decimals.


http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?



What's wrong with Australia?

They don't believe in freedom.


Their federal and regional governments are biiiig into censorship. No guaranteed freedom of speech in any constitution there, and "hate speech" has both criminal and civil penalties.

Yup. It's all a problem


Oooh, I smell trolling now.


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Free Ajent wrote:
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This dude took some hits on the gambling side which contributed to this. No doubt about it. Brother stated that he'd stay in Casino hotels 4 months at a time. Big time gambler which means he took big time losses. No doubt about it.


Is this a bit?



No it isn't. While people are focusing on the very predictable "mental illness" and gun law angle this dude was clearly a degenerate gambler. If you want to speculate on something that was a leading contributor this would be it. His actions on Sunday were caused by an addiction to gambling.


Wouldn't that better explain him massacring the casino, then? If he had massive gambling debts (still liquid enough to wire $100K to the Philippines), why plan out an attack on an outdoor concert? He was also ostensibly enough of a whale to warrant being in the MGM's most exclusive VIP club, so he was rich enough to sustain losing money long enough to get invited to that club, so him losing his shirt and pushing the eject button on life at this exact moment seems far-fetched. Not impossible, just on the outer edges of plausibility.

Outwardly, the guy doesn't fit any mass shooter profile that we've become accustomed to. There's certainly a lot more to learn about his motivations, but based on present evidence this looks like a pretty big turn of his personality. Can brain tumors cause irrational, psychotic stuff like this?



This cat was running through 20-30 stacks a day for weeks on end. Nerves frayed I'm sure. That 100 stacks that you referenced may have been owed to the Casino. Why else would he feel the need to wire it out of the country? A guy like that has $100,000 markers I'm sure. There is no way to know without a note but if I had to venture a guess I'd say it was gambling related.


His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

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I haven't read this whole thread, but I've read enough to say that Libertarians get one thing right that most people in today's age don't... America is based on the idea of protection from government, not protection by government. I'm not a Libertarian, and I believe that government has its place, particularly in economic matters and even more particularly in a modern, global economy... but the entire concept of Western Democracy and the idea that the people are their own rulers has always come at a price... and that price is that your government doesn't (and couldn't anyway) fix everything for you. Life is hard and people are bad, and there is no governing body that will ever change that.

What is the gun death rate in North Korea? If it's lower, is that the type of society we should aim for?


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Too bad we can not adopt the Austria model. They have virtually zero gun crime

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His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority might be but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.

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His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.


Well, you might if you were a complete fucking psychopath.

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His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.


Well, you might if you were a complete fucking psychopath.


How do you know?

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His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.


Well, you might if you were a complete fucking psychopath.


How do you know?


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I love how uptight gun nuts get (period, but especially) in the days following a mass shooting. The victim card persists despite the fact that the entire federal govt and like 40/50 state governments exist largely to get as many guns into the hands of as many people as possible. You can almost hear the tension over the internets. It's like when Bernstein gets that shrill. high voice when he's fretting about all the insurance claims that might arise out of college kids pulling the goalposts down.



You think it's "gun nuts" who are uptight in the wake of mass shootings? Your queen is tweeting nonsense about silencers. You're really trying to earn your pussy hat, aren't you? #hillaryman

Gun nuts. Ammosexuals. Republicans. Whatever you choose to call them.


Your post proves exactly who is hysterical after things like this happen. DO SOMETHING! I DON'T CARE WHAT! FUCK REPUGS! Maybe you can tweet about how you hope Trump voters died. #Resistance

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Free Ajent wrote:
His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.


Well, you might if you were a complete fucking psychopath.


How do you know?


The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

That makes 2 of us.

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That's a great idea. After all my gps seems to know what the limit is.
Let's keep imu at that particular limit. He does not need to drive faster.
And I bet a lot more than 60 lives would be saved by such actions.


I'm all for it. Now that speed limits are being raised to reflect modern driving habits and the safest speeds based on years of study, this shouldn't be a problem for anyone. I'll be able to drive fast when I'm at the Autobahn track in Joliet, or Road America up in Wisconsin, and I will be limited to the appropriate, safest speeds while on public roads.

I've made the concession. Now you can too.

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Go full Bigfan. You've already taken on the political persona. Ban me, start a new website with pizza reviews and then move to Phoenix to work on YOUR SELF. You don't need to drag Seacrest into it.


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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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I find comfort in knowing that no matter what year it is Baby Mac will be arguing with a board admin.


* in an embarrassing fashion.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:27 pm 
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His girl was from the Philippines and she was/is there while he did this. Dude was rich no doubt, I just listened to his brother talking about how wealthy he is and how wealthy he made his family.



Vegas has been known to break millionaires too.

I'm sure but let's not act like everyone is a loser in Vegas, sure the majority might be but people do/are beating the house.

I don't think financial trouble was the motive, you don't shoot up country music fests because you lost all your scratch.

Yeah I'm not sure how that theory makes sense .

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:28 pm 
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Mike, would your voter ID be issued free of charge when someone registers to vote, or would they have to go to the DMV to get it free of charge, or would it not be free of charge at all?


Free and easy. Much easier then some are claiming a gun card needs to be.

Mike - serious question: why do you think this issue is so partisan (ie GOP loves it)?


Can only answer for myself. I think fairness and law and order. It matters not to me whether there is 100 or 100,000 questionable voters. The partisan argument is pretty well documented as is the gun one.

Deep down do you really believe this is about law and order or about reducing the vote totals of the opposition?

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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