Was signage a problem when the building before him had one ?

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I believe JORR said years ago, before the Trump campaign even began, that if the building said MAGGIE DALEY on it in big gold letters, everyone would think it was really cool.

Not to mention the ignoring of epa regulations regarding river water usage.

I believe that I was outspoken in my dislike for the naming of Maggie Daley Park and the wing of the hospital

The objections to the TRUMP sign predate the #RESISTANCE movement and Trump's political career. They mostly relate to Chicago's provincialism and hatred for anything New York.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

entirely different situation. The river was a cesspool and to be avoided back in those days. The riverscape is now a jewel that they city was attempting to keep clean of visual clutter. Something was overlooked in the discussion of Trump tower in terms of defining the location of signage. Instead of recognizing all the city had done in terms of assistance in bringing his project to fruition and not establishing an enormous gaudy sign based on a mistake, Trump chose the other route. You don't see that kind of new signage anywhere else on the river.

The objections to the TRUMP sign predate the #RESISTANCE movement and Trump's political career. They mostly relate to Chicago's provincialism and hatred for anything New York. The Trump sign is nothing but tasteful from an objective standpoint. And when you think about what the building replaced, any complaints are laughable.

Come on, man. What do you think it is? The Sun-Times building was a hideous barge with ugly big yellow lettering. Nobody ever complained. It was "ours". Trump is an outlander. There's a new bar on the river I just saw the other day maybe at La Salle with a big ass sign. I haven't heard a peep about it. As pointed out earlier, if that building said DALEY, same font, same size nobody would say shit expect for how classy it is.

entirely different situation. The river was a cesspool and to be avoided back in those days. The riverscape is now a jewel that they city was attempting to keep clean of visual clutter. Something was overlooked in the discussion of Trump tower in terms of defining the location of signage. Instead of recognizing all the city had done in terms of assistance in bringing his project to fruition and not establishing an enormous gaudy sign based on a mistake, Trump chose the other route. You don't see that kind of new signage anywhere else on the river.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

You are taking the "democratic overlords" status to a new level with that comment.

Why didn't someone else build on that site?

You are taking the "democratic overlords" status to a new level with that comment.

Why didn't someone else build on that site?

You are taking the "democratic overlords" status to a new level with that comment.

Why didn't someone else build on that site?

are you of the belief the property would have remained vacant or Sun Times property but for Trump

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Any number of developers. That wasn’t exactly a risky site. The risk was more in a shifting market, which is the risk of every proposal.

I haven’t even looked into whether it was profitable. He certainly screwed a lot of his initial purchasers though

Do you think the sign had any effect on reward? The listing packets were photoshopping the sign out of the pictures

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Any number of developers. That wasn’t exactly a risky site. The risk was more in a shifting market, which is the risk of every proposal.

I haven’t even looked into whether it was profitable. He certainly screwed a lot of his initial purchasers though

Do you think the sign had any effect on reward? The listing packets were photoshopping the sign out of the pictures

I'm amused by the fact that you somehow think that the government is some benevolent charity that Trump owes some sort of fealty to because of all they did for him..

The Lincoln Yards project along the river that Rahm is trying to jam through right now is about one million times more egregious than the Trump sign and everyone objecting is going to get steamrolled and then patted on the head. There will be no hue and cry the way there was over a relatively tasteful sign that simply spelled out the wrong name.

Isn't that how it works? You do something for someone and they owe you.

That building does not get built without government favors. I don't mean anything illegal. If Trump had to build only to what was allowed at the time of contracting he wouldn't have closed on the site.

He came in with the intent to be a one time developer in this city and that is what he will be.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

NBA is the most discussed sports league on Twitter.

Why the NBA - not the NFL or MLB - is America's favorite pastime
MARTIN ROGERS | USA TODAY | 6:10 pm EDT October 15, 2018
USA TODAY
According to a Twitter study earlier this year, the NBA was the most discussed sports league in 2018, LeBron James was the most talked about athlete and the Cleveland Cavaliers held the distinction of being the most Tweeted-about team. Expect only one of those things to change when the next set of figures rolls in.

Football Still Americans' Favorite Sport to Watch
BY JIM NORMAN
Football Still Americans' Favorite Sport to Watch
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
37% say football is their favorite sport to watch, by far the most for any sport
Baseball is at its lowest point ever, with only 9% saying it is their favorite
Football has slipped in popularity from its peak of 43% in 2006 and 2007
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- American football, under attack from critics in recent years, has lost some of its popularity but is still the champion of U.S. spectator sports -- picked by 37% of U.S. adults as their favorite sport to watch. The next-most-popular sports are basketball, favored by 11%, and baseball, favored by 9%.

Americans' Favorite Spectator Sports, 1937-2017
The 9% of Americans who mention baseball as their favorite sport to watch is the lowest percentage for the sport since Gallup first asked the question in 1937. Americans named baseball as the most popular sport in 1948 and 1960, but football claimed the top spot in 1972 and has been the public's favorite ever since.

Soccer now nearly matches baseball's popularity. Seven percent say it is their favorite sport to watch, the highest that sport has registered to date. Only once before have at least 7% of Americans named a sport other than football, basketball or baseball as their favorite -- and that was auto racing in 1997. (Auto racing is now down to 2% of mentions.)

Though football retains its top spot, its popularity has slipped since peaking at 43% in 2006 and 2007. In 2008, it dipped slightly to 41% and dropped again to 39% in 2013 -- the last time the question was asked before the December 2017 poll and its 37% reading.

Among the possible reasons for the drop in recent years:

In 2014, a video of National Football League star running back Ray Rice punching his wife and dragging her unconscious body from an elevator shocked the nation. It pushed the already-simmering issue of NFL players' domestic assaults into national prominence, sparking protests and calls for NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell to resign.
Numerous studies dating back to the 1990s had documented the physical and mental toll concussions were taking on football players at all levels. One of the studies inspired the movie Concussion, released nationwide in 2015.
Protests by NFL players during the pregame playing of the U.S. national anthem in 2016 and 2017 drew strong criticism from President Donald Trump and conservative pundits.
With the national-anthem controversy in full swing this past October, a Gallup poll indicated the NFL was taking a hit. Fifty-seven percent of Americans said they were fans of professional football, down 10 percentage points from the previous time the question was asked, in December 2012. Support for most other sports, including college football, had not changed meaningfully during the same five-year span.

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Football Leads Among All Groups, but Some Like It Less Than Others

Women were less likely than men to pick football as their favorite sport even before the issue of players' assaults on women exploded in 2014, and that still holds true. Conservatives, in spite of the national-anthem protests the last two years, are only slightly less likely than moderates to favor football, and are more likely to do so than liberals. Parents of children under 18, who might be expected to be most affected by the publicity surrounding concussion risks football players face, are about as likely as others to pick football as their favorite.

Meanwhile, those who determine the future of spectator sports -- 18- to 34-year-olds -- are the age group least likely to favor football. But even among them, football tops all other sports by a comfortable margin. Soccer and baseball show meaningful differences by age, with soccer appealing more to adults younger than 55 and baseball more to adults aged 55 and older.

Football Tops All Subgroups, but Age, Ideology Affect Second Choices
What is your favorite sport to watch?
Football Basketball Baseball Soccer
%
%
%
%
All adults 37 11 9 7
Gender
Men 42 9 10 6
Women 32 13 8 8
Age
18 to 34 years old 30 11 6 11
35 to 54 years old 40 12 7 10
55 years old and older 39 11 14 1
Political ideology
Conservative 38 10 12 5
Moderate 41 11 6 6
Liberal 28 16 11 13
Children under 18
Children under 18 40 13 7 12
No children under 18 36 11 10 5
GALLUP, DEC. 4-11, 2017
Implications

For the past half-century, football has been America's game, unrivaled by any other spectator sport. Even the challenges it currently faces have had only a small effect on Americans' likelihood to consider it their favorite spectator sport. Though Gallup's October polling showed a decline in the percentage of Americans saying they are fans of professional football, the drop-off did not occur among college football fans, and it may not have included the hardcore NFL fans who consider it their favorite sport.

But the fact that the sport has weathered the attacks on it so far is no guarantee that it will do so over the long run. Football's relatively low popularity among younger Americans, combined with ever-growing evidence of the physical and mental damage the sport does even at the high school level, could jeopardize its standing in the decades ahead.

And for all spectator sports in the U.S., there is one other sobering statistic to consider. The number of Americans who say they do not have a favorite sport has grown from 8% in 2000 to 15% now -- an increase larger than for any sport during that time.

SURVEY METHODS
Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Dec. 4-11, 2017, with a random sample of 1,049 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia. For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.

3 more pages.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

The headline is dumb. Football by far is the most popular sport, even if the NBA reigns on Twitter.

Check out this graph here: https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallu ... avevjg.png

What's interesting about the poll is baseball's obvious decline between the '60s-'70s which coincided with football's rise. Not sure what was going on back then but maybe HawaiiYou can chime in here since he seems to be broadcasting live from that era anyway. There seemed to be a slight spike in baseball interest in the mid '90s though I'm not sure if that's mid or late '90s based on how I'm reading the graph. A late '90s spike would clearly reflect the Sosa McGuire thing. The NBA saw a huge spike in the '80s but I'm not sure if that's too early to attribute that to Jordan since he wasn't "Air Jordan" at that time but merely an exciting player on the way to becoming "the best ever." I attribute the spike in the '90s to the Bulls/Jordan. Here's the full article:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/224864/foo ... watch.aspx

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.