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Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:14 am ]
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So the profile is of someone who was apparently sick (significant weight loss and high blood pressure), was sensitive to noise and suffered anxiety, was a paranoid misanthrope taking mind-altering meds, was an addicted heavy gambler, was obsessed by firearms, and had irregular sleeping hours. He also suffered personal trauma because of a criminal father.

Yeah, I'd say that's a recipe for disaster. The guy was a mess.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:14 am ]
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That liveleak video of right after the shooting, but before the ambulances got there is brutal.

Author:  Jaw Breaker [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:17 am ]
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Regarding metal detectors, I think it's likely that had this guy killed 50 and injured 500 on Mandalay's casino floor, the thought process for customers would be much different. But because he killed people outside the casino, there doesn't seem to as much of a demand to make them mandatory. (I'm not saying I favor them, because I don't...I just think it's an interesting distinction.)

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:27 am ]
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The "mind altering" drug was Valium. :lol: A lot of middle class moms going to go postal.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:29 am ]
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Author:  Furious Styles [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:40 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side, and he brings a lot to the table on these forums. OnePost is no slouch either.


Agreed, but I'd include others like Darkside and IMU here as well. They appear earnest/honest in their positions

Don't attach your DS IMU pork to my Ogie bill..

:lol:

Author:  Curious Hair [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:39 pm ]
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tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

Ogie Oglethorpe bloodbath

Author:  Dignified Rube [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:53 pm ]
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pittmike wrote:
The "mind altering" drug was Valium. :lol: A lot of middle class moms going to go postal.


Valium is a benzo. Benzos are bad news.

Should be completely banned. Just goes to show you how doctors and big pharma profiteer from using joe public as a guinea pig.

Except for just a few, I have contempt for doctors, especially those that would prescribe these drugs.

Author:  FrankDrebin [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:57 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

Ogie Oglethorpe bloodbath


Alert the hotels

Author:  Curious Hair [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vegas bloodbath

Libertarianism is indeed an ideology and not just organized sociopathy! In a related story, the greatest American of all time is some dude named Cody who emails you guns.

Author:  ToxicMasculinity [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:21 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Libertarianism is indeed an ideology and not just organized sociopathy! In a related story, the greatest American of all time is some dude named Cody who emails you guns.



Cody will then be replaced as the greatest American by some dude who emails you sex robots.

Finally freeing us from the tyranny of womyn and liberating the incels.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:12 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Libertarianism is indeed an ideology and not just organized sociopathy! In a related story, the greatest American of all time is some dude named Cody who emails you guns.

In recent times, that honor would go to Edward Snowden.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:13 pm ]
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Ogie is a piece of shit.

Author:  Panther pislA [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:35 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off
The manufactured narrative about him booking other rooms at other venues is a distraction to quell the ANTIFA connection.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:47 pm ]
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Panther pislA wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off
The manufactured narrative about him booking other rooms at other venues is a distraction to quell the ANTIFA connection.

Oh right.

Still, I don't think "crowd noise" sent him over the edge

Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:14 pm ]
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Panther pislA wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off
The manufactured narrative about him booking other rooms at other venues is a distraction to quell the ANTIFA connection.


Do you think ANTIFA leaders put him up to it or he joined ANTIFA out of a sense of hatred and just took it upon himself?

Also, a follow-up... do you think he had to obtain his automatic weapons himself at the direction of ANTIFA or did they provide the weapons through backchannels?

I'm going with the backchannel theory.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:23 pm ]
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Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:40 pm ]
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One of my Facebook friends just posted this link. They homeschool their kids btw.

https://worldtruth.tv/five-more-things- ... -massacre/

Author:  Drunk Squirrel [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:50 pm ]
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Those posts make me want to pull out th e rest of the limited hair on my scalp.

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vegas bloodbath

tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

You're taking a very simplified view of a philosophy that simply puts individual rights above collective rights. I simply believe in empowering the individual and believe in a simple concept of live and left live This can be summed up in the NAP.

It's laughable to say Libertarians stand for nothing when they stand for the natural and inalienable rights of the individual above all else and believe that those rights should not be ceded to the state. I'd say that is standing up for plenty. I strongly suggest that you read some of Locke and Hobbes. You may have a better idea of where I cam coming from there.

I think I've also made it clear that I deplore violence. I'm decidedly anti-war and anti-violence except as a last resort. Do I think we need to violently resist the current state in America? No. Do I think we will get to that point in my lifetime? Doubtful. With that said, the fact that it remains a possibility is enough to justify a population of armed civilians being maintained as a bulwark in the event an unlikely situation occurs. Our founding fathers certainly probably had faith their Constitution would hold up, but even then they also knew nothing is guaranteed and that one day the government they set up could become too powerful, just as the prior monarchs had. It is for that reason we have our 2nd Amendment.

Author:  ZephMarshack [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:44 pm ]
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Thomas Hobbes definitely taught me a lot about not ceding rights to the state.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vegas bloodbath

Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

You're taking a very simplified view of a philosophy that simply puts individual rights above collective rights. I simply believe in empowering the individual and believe in a simple concept of live and left live This can be summed up in the NAP.

It's laughable to say Libertarians stand for nothing when they stand for the natural and inalienable rights of the individual above all else and believe that those rights should not be ceded to the state. I'd say that is standing up for plenty. I strongly suggest that you read some of Locke and Hobbes. You may have a better idea of where I cam coming from there.

I think I've also made it clear that I deplore violence. I'm decidedly anti-war and anti-violence except as a last resort. Do I think we need to violently resist the current state in America? No. Do I think we will get to that point in my lifetime? Doubtful. With that said, the fact that it remains a possibility is enough to justify a population of armed civilians being maintained as a bulwark in the event an unlikely situation occurs. Our founding fathers certainly probably had faith their Constitution would hold up, but even then they also knew nothing is guaranteed and that one day the government they set up could become too powerful, just as the prior monarchs had. It is for that reason we have our 2nd Amendment.


I want to sell my kid to a guy who wants to use him as one would a cum sock. Should the state be allowed to stop me?

Author:  Nas [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:47 pm ]
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SpiralStairs wrote:
One of my Facebook friends just posted this link. They homeschool their kids btw.

https://worldtruth.tv/five-more-things- ... -massacre/


A lot doesn't add up. #StayWoke

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vegas bloodbath

SpiralStairs wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

You're taking a very simplified view of a philosophy that simply puts individual rights above collective rights. I simply believe in empowering the individual and believe in a simple concept of live and left live This can be summed up in the NAP.

It's laughable to say Libertarians stand for nothing when they stand for the natural and inalienable rights of the individual above all else and believe that those rights should not be ceded to the state. I'd say that is standing up for plenty. I strongly suggest that you read some of Locke and Hobbes. You may have a better idea of where I cam coming from there.

I think I've also made it clear that I deplore violence. I'm decidedly anti-war and anti-violence except as a last resort. Do I think we need to violently resist the current state in America? No. Do I think we will get to that point in my lifetime? Doubtful. With that said, the fact that it remains a possibility is enough to justify a population of armed civilians being maintained as a bulwark in the event an unlikely situation occurs. Our founding fathers certainly probably had faith their Constitution would hold up, but even then they also knew nothing is guaranteed and that one day the government they set up could become too powerful, just as the prior monarchs had. It is for that reason we have our 2nd Amendment.


I want to sell my kid to a guy who wants to use him as one would a cum sock. Should the state be allowed to stop me?

selling another person violates the NAP and certainly violates their natural rights. I do not believe in no state (that's anarchy, not libertarianism) I believe in a restrained states.

Do you really think we are well off with a state that perpetuates 16 years (and counting) of undeclared wars overseas, collects bulk data without warrants, executes the failed drug war, uses civil asset forfeiture, kills people without trial via drones, etc.? I think I've raised some valid concerns with several areas where our nation's government oversteps any reasonable bounds If that doesn't bother you fine, but these are all things which deeply bother me. You should find these realities to be far more disturbing that your invented hypotheticals.

Is it too much to ask that we not continue endless wars, stop spying on our citizens, end the drug war, restore due process, stop the use of police for purposes of theft, stop using drones to kill without trial, and cease the militarization of our police forces? I'd say all of the above are reasonable requests.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:08 pm ]
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Did I say sell? I meant having a reasoned discussion with my child who freely chose to go into the windowless van with that nice man. The nice man happened to leave a suitcase full of cash in 7-11 dumpster a few miles away for me to find. It was the kid's choice not mine!

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 pm ]
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Did I say sell? I meant having a reasoned discussion with my child who freely chose to go into the windowless van with that nice man. The nice man happened to leave a suitcase full of cash in 7-11 dumpster a few miles away for me to find. It was the kid's choice not mine!

Given the child is not able to consent, there is a victim.

I'll leave this flow chart

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Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:27 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Did I say sell? I meant having a reasoned discussion with my child who freely chose to go into the windowless van with that nice man. The nice man happened to leave a suitcase full of cash in 7-11 dumpster a few miles away for me to find. It was the kid's choice not mine!

Given the child is not able to consent, there is a victim.

I'll leave this flow chart

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Who decides what age a child is able to consent to something?

Author:  Ogie Oglethorpe [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:38 pm ]
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SpiralStairs wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Did I say sell? I meant having a reasoned discussion with my child who freely chose to go into the windowless van with that nice man. The nice man happened to leave a suitcase full of cash in 7-11 dumpster a few miles away for me to find. It was the kid's choice not mine!

Given the child is not able to consent, there is a victim.

I'll leave this flow chart

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Who decides what age a child is able to consent to something?

Well you have some basic level of government as it is neither anarchy nor minarchy.

Author:  ZephMarshack [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:41 pm ]
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Did I say sell? I meant having a reasoned discussion with my child who freely chose to go into the windowless van with that nice man. The nice man happened to leave a suitcase full of cash in 7-11 dumpster a few miles away for me to find. It was the kid's choice not mine!

Given the child is not able to consent, there is a victim.

I'll leave this flow chart

Image


Who decides what age a child is able to consent to something?

Well you have some basic level of government as it is neither anarchy nor minarchy.

When and how did anyone consent that this government could make decisions about consent?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Vegas bloodbath

Having known SpiralStairs personally, I can say without reservation that any child of his would be much better off being raised by a sexually deviant recluse.

To the debate on Libertarianism, I find most of my Libertarian friends and family to be insufferable, but they are an absolute necessity in America. They keep people honest and remind us frequently (like literally every five minutes) of the evils of big government.

I kid, but I'm serious (about both Libertarianism and Spiral being a horrible parent).

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