Yup. Lots of dumbass comments in this thread. I was clearly right about Kap starting a movement. Let's see:

- Went from one guy kneeling to dozens of players
- literally started a nationwide conversation about his protest
- a backup QB lead the league in jersey sales. Maybe Tebow did it, but I can't ever remember that happening

The whole "it won't change anything" is a statement that has no value. It doesn't mean anything. Of course it probably won't change anything. Police are always going to murder innocent civilians in our nation. We empowered them to do so, and power doesn't voluntarily relinquish power.

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Yeah, James Harrison is a fucking moron. It's like having Chas take your side in the argument. Not something I would brag about.

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Sideswipe at chas OUTTA NOWHERE!

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I agree with this. It won't change anything is such a reductive statement. Like obviously it isn't going to just end police brutality, but so MANY in this country get butthurt if you even bring up the fact that the police might be an issue. What should he do lead an armed revolt from the Bay Area that overthrows the cops? No? Then I guess he is going to have to settle for an incremental change in the awareness and discussion of this topic based on his protest. Like FF says I guess it worked on some level because people sure as fuck are paying attention to it.

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Only dman can talk about dman's fat stacks of cash.

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Come on innocent? I would say the majority of people police shoot are done during the commission of a crime. That right there is a fucked up statement. I will give you some but it is a small percentage.

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I guess I just don't understand the end game here. If every NFL player kneels for the anthem for the rest of time, what does that solve? It's not like people weren't aware of these issues until this goof took a knee. If they really wanted to wake people the fuck up, they'd stop playing football. But then they'd have to have actual demands that could be met.

And I'm not gonna be surprised if DiCaro loses her job eventually because of a Twitter beef. You'll have to ask her if it was worth it.

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Refusing to play isn't an option, unless the entire players union agrees. Even the good players would just be replaced and they lose their one platform to speak on these issues. Oh, and also refusing to play wouldn't change anything either. I'm not sure you can suggest something that would that these players can do. It's not up to them to get police to stop murdering people. It's up to people like you, me, and WaitingForRuffcorn. So things probably aren't changing.

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The nationwide conversation is about respect for the flag/anthem, not about the topic for which he is supposedly kneeling.

The donation of money from the sale of jersys will do much more towards solving the problem then a very hollow symbolic act.

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You do understand what was responsible for all the money coming from those jersey sales, right?

Again, saying its hollow has proven untrue. MANY are joining his protest, he's donated over a million dollars(besides the jersey sales) and the 49ers have matched it, and other players are donating money now too to improve low income inner city communities.

But like I said, the protest is to get all of US to stop tacitly condoning murder by police officers, so you guys are right that nothing will change until WE, collectively, do. Which is to say it won't change for quite awhile. I don't understand disparaging their protest for our faults though.

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FarveFan started a movement !

I love that move. When the President calls the bad guys is a classic scene. Plus the song at the end is awesome.

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Why is it up to us and not the players? They have a far bigger national platform to call for change. If the NFL Union said they would not be playing next Sunday, and they called for other unions to join then with a list of demands people would take notice. And there would be action of some sorts. Look what happened with Mizzou football. Money is the only way to get change to occur, and shutting off the NFL funnel of cash would make powerful people notice.

If we joined together and said we would stand by the highway in protest of the police to support BLM on Sundays, the only people who would notice would be our bartenders.

If all police shootings stopped it would be a great thing, but it would hardly put a dent into the gun violence in the country.

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I started two movements this morning.

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It's up to us because there are 1500 NFL players and 300+ million of us. The fact is you and MANY others think police departments, as institutions, are not targeting black communities at a significantly disproportional rate. Until all of us wake up and realize they are, and demand that police are held accountable for murdering unarmed men, nothing will change. And MANY NFL players feel like you do, so that is why the NFLPA wouldn't come together for a united strike on something like this.

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Agreed.

Alex English's greatest role.

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To understand James Harrison you need a clinical degree. He is a tough guy and always on. There have been athletes like Boomer E and in this link Shaq (http://www.si.com/nba/2016/09/07/shaq-s ... em-protest) who have questioned him while still supporting him.

Why are we still at some point where you are a dope or mouth breather if you support his cause but wish he chose another method? Why can't both points of view coexist?

Jorr said this in the JDC thread as she argued about this. I think he sums it up pretty well for me. "I certainly value equality more than form and ceremony, but in this instance pissing on form and ceremony isn't going to get us equality, and so we are left with neither equality nor form and ceremony."

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You guys do realize that Harrison Tweet was completely fake, right?

No I actually did not. It would not have surprised me if he did say it though. He is really out there.

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If we "realized this" it would change? Sounds like believing in fairies in Peter Pan. You honestly people that police departments hate black people so much that they target them for random executions? I don't believe that to be the case, and all you have on this is faith because I do not see statistics that support that assumption.

Again, if they wanted to protest all police shootings. Or say that they wanted police to stop carrying guns, I believe it would would be a far more significant protest. I believe the ideal that it is open season on black people by the police to be both incorrect and dangerous for both parties.

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I don't have time to fact check everything on twitter. Harrison is a dope so it wouldn't have surprised me either way.

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Good for Harrison to use his free speech amendment rights.

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The idea to protest unjustified police shootings especially of black males is noble. I have to admit though I get quite overwhelmed by all the stats people are throwing around the board and other place to address the subject. So using targeting and disproportionate are not very clear terms. Simply from consuming news I can say its clear too many black men get shot by police. How it relates to anything else I can't say.

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You're the one using incendiary terms. Nobody is saving it's open season and you conveniently added "for random executions" to my quote about them targeting black people more than white people. Statistics clearly support that, but so does common sense and even a basic understanding of current events. It's also worth mentioning that Kaepernick mentioned police brutality overall before he mentioned anything about it disproportionally affecting black people.

And yes, when the country at large demands change, change happens. You're being disingenuous or naive if you disagree. See gay marriage for an example. There's too many people who don't really give a shit about the bodies in the streets to cause change as of right now.

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Its the exact definition of vagueness. what constitutes murder? which cops are the bad ones? Sorry, there is a large contingent of court cases that say that many of these officers ARENT getting away with murder. EVERY legitimate take down of a black person also has a large group of people, specifically BLM people who often emotionally throw away ANY modicum of common sense and logic and deem this some systematic oppression of their people. THEY DO IT WHEN BLACK PEOPLE ARE SHOT AFTER SHOOTING AT COPS!. That doesn't mean real bad cops don't exist and it shouldn't be a topic of conversation and i'm certainly grateful its being taken care of in a way that is essentially non violent on the surface but there are real ramifications on a war on the police that may result in putting innocent people and officers in serious harm.

Name the last 3 police officer related gun deaths that resulted in the police officer getting more than 5 years in jail.

You'll be looking for a long while. I think it is safe to assume that the police aren't perfect yet that is almost impossible to find.

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