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The common answer I hear is "Well, we have to do something!" But that's not a rational argument. We in fact don't have to do something, but even if we do, what is it exactly that you'd like to do?


What's irrational about it?


Absolutely nothing. So I wish people would just be honest and say "Dead kids are an unfortunate cost of my right to own an assault rifle" rather than beat around the bush.


It's absolutely irrational. You are basically saying we have to do something even if it accomplishes nothing.


What has doing nothing accomplished?


Sometimes doing nothing is better, even with the occasional terrible outcome. Let's ask Mandalay Bay if they would like to install metal detectors for all incoming guests, to prevent something like Sunday night. I'm pretty sure the answer would be no.

Do we care what Mandalay Bay wants?


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Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.

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He was spot on last night. Great show.


He was right. If a Muslim did this our country would have sprang into action and came up with hundreds of solutions to try to prevent/make it harder for this to happen again. Nothing we can do now and no real outrage.

A Muslim did do it in Orlando last year.

But didn't he shoot up a fruity bar? I would suspect that the NRA types might not be entirely vexed about that.

(incidentally, I thought vexed had two X's ... we use a strange language)


It was actually a tossed salad bar.

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I understand the emotion involved by those who find these things detestable (and in some ways I sort of agree), but take a step back and look at what your prescriptions are. You're just using vague statements about gun control. Most of this stuff is already illegal. America's gun problem is more related to a culture of guns than it is any laws or lack of laws. I don't think there's any way to legislate out of this.


GRAND SLAM!!!

Insert almost any current social problem in our country in the place of guns and the answer is the same.

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SuperMario wrote:
Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?


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Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something?

Thanks for the spoiler, jerk.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Sometimes doing nothing is better, even with the occasional terrible outcome. Let's ask Mandalay Bay if they would like to install metal detectors for all incoming guests, to prevent something like Sunday night. I'm pretty sure the answer would be no.

Do we care what Mandalay Bay wants?


No, but they better not install metal detectors at Bellagio.

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Do we care what Mandalay Bay wants?


Mandalay Bay will do what they believe their customers (i.e., citizens) want, so yes, by proxy I do not think "we" would want metal detectors. Too much inconvenience for too little/rare benefit.

That being said, maybe a casino will view installing them as an opportunity to attract safety-minded customers who value that more than their time.

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so now we have the govt mandating the installation of metal detectors at evey public venue?

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so now we have the govt mandating the installation of metal detectors at evey public venue?


And magically everything will be OK, because clearly the absence of detection is a much bigger issue than prevention.


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so now we have the govt mandating the installation of metal detectors at evey public venue?



And mandatory white helmets for everyone!

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?

All of the animals over there are looking to kill you, so maybe a disproportionate number of nutjobs just so happened to be eaten by Koalas or whatever.

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so now we have the govt mandating the installation of metal detectors at evey public venue?



And mandatory white helmets for everyone!

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?


But not murders in general. In Ireland, Australia and England, the gun bans either had a static effect or actually caused murder rates to increase. It goes back to the point that bad people will do bad things with whatever is available to them. And I don't think Australia is going to start banning boomerangs and machetes and dune buggies and Crocodile Dundee.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?


It's an island in the middle of an ocean!!!!!!

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Because Australians aren't a bunch of pussies


Australia's murder rate falls to record low of one person per 100,000
Report shows knives are most common murder weapon followed by guns, with alcohol and beatings a big factor


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I understand the emotion involved by those who find these things detestable (and in some ways I sort of agree), but take a step back and look at what your prescriptions are. You're just using vague statements about gun control. Most of this stuff is already illegal. America's gun problem is more related to a culture of guns than it is any laws or lack of laws. I don't think there's any way to legislate out of this.


GRAND SLAM!!!

Insert almost any current social problem in our country in the place of guns and the answer is the same.


Interesting.

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SuperMario wrote:
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Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?


But not murders in general. In Ireland, Australia and England, the gun bans either had a static effect or actually caused murder rates to increase. It goes back to the point that bad people will do bad things with whatever is available to them. And I don't think Australia is going to start banning boomerangs and machetes and dune buggies and Crocodile Dundee.


I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.


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The next step at a hotel...a terrorist(foreign or domestic) will rent a room for a few days and build a bomb in the room, big enough to take the entire building down...think a popular hotel near Times Square, perhaps on New Years Eve? You won't seen TSA like screenings at hotels, but you will seem some basic searches...just like at Theme Parks/Stadiums now.


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I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.
You do realize just how low the odds are of ever being near a mass shooting is?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.
You do realize just how low the odds are of ever being near a mass shooting is?


I'd say roughly 32 miles from where I'm sitting, so pretty good.

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I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.
You do realize just how low the odds are of ever being near a mass shooting is?


Higher than an American plane being hijacked?

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Plane hijackings have essentially been eliminated via regulations(yes, that can be inconvenient at times).


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.
You do realize just how low the odds are of ever being near a mass shooting is?


I'd say roughly 32 miles from where I'm sitting, so pretty good.

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I said mass shootings.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.
You do realize just how low the odds are of ever being near a mass shooting is?


I'd say roughly 32 miles from where I'm sitting, so pretty good.

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I said mass shootings.


An incident involving multiple victims of firearm violence?


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
SuperMario wrote:
Do people expect this to turn into a Utopian society like The Giver where all gun crimes will disappear if we do something? Passing more laws or throwing more money at a problem rarely works. The war on drugs, education and the war on terrorism are prime examples of that fallacy. We pass laws making it illegal to drive and text. Has that caused a decrease in car accidents?

Obviously spree killings won't disappear completely. So what number is acceptable to the anti-gun crowd? One a year? One every 10 years? Every 50? We hadn't had a major hurricane hit land for over 10 years, and then we had two and people seem to forget the years in between. The point is, tragedy will always be tragic no matter when the last one occurred. And regardless of when the last one occurred, it will be a prime time for people to get on their soapbox to demand changes be made.


Then why did mass killings drop like a stone in Australia?


But not murders in general. In Ireland, Australia and England, the gun bans either had a static effect or actually caused murder rates to increase. It goes back to the point that bad people will do bad things with whatever is available to them. And I don't think Australia is going to start banning boomerangs and machetes and dune buggies and Crocodile Dundee.


I'll take my chances against boomerangs and machetes any day of the week.


Me too. As long as I have my pistol on me.

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Plane hijackings have essentially been eliminated via regulations(yes, that can be inconvenient at times).


Inconvenient is an understatement.

We could eliminate automobile fatalities if we reduced the speed limit to 15 mph. Would people accept that tradeoff?

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Caller Bob wrote:
Plane hijackings have essentially been eliminated via regulations(yes, that can be inconvenient at times).


A little easier to control what and who gets on and off a plane with 400 people max then it is a 2700 mile country bordering two other countries and hundreds of ports on two ocean fronts with over 300 million people. And we have no-fly lists, but sadly pretty much anyone can come into our country.

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We could eliminate automobile fatalities if we reduced the speed limit to 15 mph. Would people accept that tradeoff?



I'LL TAKE IT
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SuperMario wrote:
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Plane hijackings have essentially been eliminated via regulations(yes, that can be inconvenient at times).


A little easier to control what and who gets on and off a plane with 400 people max then it is a 2700 mile country bordering two other countries and hundreds of ports on two ocean fronts with over 300 million people. And we have no-fly lists, but sadly pretty much anyone can come into our country.


I was speaking to hotel security moving forward...which would be a mild inconvenience at best. Most major office buildings in big cities have similar security..you would just implement it for hotel guest. Or watch a building go 'boom'...eventually.


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