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If the Russia stuff is phony then why is Trump's own party leading an investigation into his team's ties with Russian officials?


That is a good question. Many and even some important people on the left said Trump has no implications regarding Russia. Maybe all involved want to keep it simmering for their own leverage or influence over Trump? Even some on the right need that.

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Wall St. Journal taking a more sane angle to the firing. Saying he deserved firing even if Trump waited too long to do it. They say Trump will pay a political price for that now. They also state Comey is not the great guy everyone now is say and he was most concerned with his own rep.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comeys-des ... 1494380259

For all of these reasons and more, we advised Mr. Trump to sack Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office. The President will now pay a larger political price for waiting, as critics question the timing of his action amid the FBI’s probe of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties. Democrats are already portraying Mr. Comey as a liberal martyr, though last October they accused him of partisan betrayal.

The reality is that Mr. Comey has always been most concerned with the politics of his own reputation. He styles himself as the last honest man in Washington as he has dangled insinuations across his career about the George W. Bush White House and surveillance, then Mrs. Clinton and emails, and now Mr. Trump and Russia. He is political in precisely the way we don’t want a leader of America’s premier law-enforcement agency to behave.


Fine time for this article to come out don't you think? He was upheld as anything but political in October and many on here defended him then.


Nobody ever said he wasn't political. What was said was that he wasn't trying to take down Democrats. You hated him in October. Don't tell me he's your hero now. He's a self-aggrandizing goof. He never should have said shit about the Clinton investigation in the first place and he wouldn't have been in a position where he had to say something right before the election. And now he's grandstanding on this phony Russia crap.



If the Russia stuff is phony then why is Trump's own party leading an investigation into his team's ties with Russian officials?



You and I have discussed this before. McCain and Graham are Russophobes. These guys live in a Cold War spy novel fantasy.

If the Russia stuff is real, why aren't we impeaching Trump immediately?

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 Post subject: Re: Comey Fired
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Wall St. Journal taking a more sane angle to the firing. Saying he deserved firing even if Trump waited too long to do it. They say Trump will pay a political price for that now. They also state Comey is not the great guy everyone now is say and he was most concerned with his own rep.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comeys-des ... 1494380259

For all of these reasons and more, we advised Mr. Trump to sack Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office. The President will now pay a larger political price for waiting, as critics question the timing of his action amid the FBI’s probe of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties. Democrats are already portraying Mr. Comey as a liberal martyr, though last October they accused him of partisan betrayal.

The reality is that Mr. Comey has always been most concerned with the politics of his own reputation. He styles himself as the last honest man in Washington as he has dangled insinuations across his career about the George W. Bush White House and surveillance, then Mrs. Clinton and emails, and now Mr. Trump and Russia. He is political in precisely the way we don’t want a leader of America’s premier law-enforcement agency to behave.


Fine time for this article to come out don't you think? He was upheld as anything but political in October and many on here defended him then.


Nobody ever said he wasn't political. What was said was that he wasn't trying to take down Democrats. You hated him in October. Don't tell me he's your hero now. He's a self-aggrandizing goof. He never should have said shit about the Clinton investigation in the first place and he wouldn't have been in a position where he had to say something right before the election. And now he's grandstanding on this phony Russia crap.


You as I recall did try to argue that he wasn't political so who are you crappin? He isn't my hero now and he also wasn't my hero then. He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general. At what point did he become such the political operative? I think we all know the answer to that.



That's wrong. I understood why he had to come out and say what he did right before the election. That doesn't excuse him for putting himself in such a position in the first place. It isn't his call on whether to prosecute. He's a typical D.C. egomaniac looking for the spotlight.

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He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general.


The WSJ isn't some right wing rag you can toss aside like other sources.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Wall St. Journal taking a more sane angle to the firing. Saying he deserved firing even if Trump waited too long to do it. They say Trump will pay a political price for that now. They also state Comey is not the great guy everyone now is say and he was most concerned with his own rep.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comeys-des ... 1494380259

For all of these reasons and more, we advised Mr. Trump to sack Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office. The President will now pay a larger political price for waiting, as critics question the timing of his action amid the FBI’s probe of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties. Democrats are already portraying Mr. Comey as a liberal martyr, though last October they accused him of partisan betrayal.

The reality is that Mr. Comey has always been most concerned with the politics of his own reputation. He styles himself as the last honest man in Washington as he has dangled insinuations across his career about the George W. Bush White House and surveillance, then Mrs. Clinton and emails, and now Mr. Trump and Russia. He is political in precisely the way we don’t want a leader of America’s premier law-enforcement agency to behave.


Fine time for this article to come out don't you think? He was upheld as anything but political in October and many on here defended him then.


Nobody ever said he wasn't political. What was said was that he wasn't trying to take down Democrats. You hated him in October. Don't tell me he's your hero now. He's a self-aggrandizing goof. He never should have said shit about the Clinton investigation in the first place and he wouldn't have been in a position where he had to say something right before the election. And now he's grandstanding on this phony Russia crap.



If the Russia stuff is phony then why is Trump's own party leading an investigation into his team's ties with Russian officials?



You and I have discussed this before. McCain and Graham are Russophobes. These guys live in a Cold War spy novel fantasy.

If the Russia stuff is real, why aren't we impeaching Trump immediately?



It's not just McCain and Graham. There are many hypotheses regarding the Russia stuff, many of which may be fantastical. But thus far some real stuff has surfaced regarding Page, Manafort, and Flynn. Are you saying Flynn's ouster was based on faulty evidence?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
long time guy wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Wall St. Journal taking a more sane angle to the firing. Saying he deserved firing even if Trump waited too long to do it. They say Trump will pay a political price for that now. They also state Comey is not the great guy everyone now is say and he was most concerned with his own rep.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comeys-des ... 1494380259

For all of these reasons and more, we advised Mr. Trump to sack Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office. The President will now pay a larger political price for waiting, as critics question the timing of his action amid the FBI’s probe of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties. Democrats are already portraying Mr. Comey as a liberal martyr, though last October they accused him of partisan betrayal.

The reality is that Mr. Comey has always been most concerned with the politics of his own reputation. He styles himself as the last honest man in Washington as he has dangled insinuations across his career about the George W. Bush White House and surveillance, then Mrs. Clinton and emails, and now Mr. Trump and Russia. He is political in precisely the way we don’t want a leader of America’s premier law-enforcement agency to behave.


Fine time for this article to come out don't you think? He was upheld as anything but political in October and many on here defended him then.


Nobody ever said he wasn't political. What was said was that he wasn't trying to take down Democrats. You hated him in October. Don't tell me he's your hero now. He's a self-aggrandizing goof. He never should have said shit about the Clinton investigation in the first place and he wouldn't have been in a position where he had to say something right before the election. And now he's grandstanding on this phony Russia crap.



If the Russia stuff is phony then why is Trump's own party leading an investigation into his team's ties with Russian officials?



You and I have discussed this before. McCain and Graham are Russophobes. These guys live in a Cold War spy novel fantasy.

If the Russia stuff is real, why aren't we impeaching Trump immediately?


Because far too many people in DC are more interested in party and zealotry over country.

Hence we get beer bashes at the White House glibly tossed to celebrate deficit financed giveaways to the wealthy ridiculously termed as a health care reform bill

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 Post subject: Re: Comey Fired
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veganfan21 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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pittmike wrote:
Wall St. Journal taking a more sane angle to the firing. Saying he deserved firing even if Trump waited too long to do it. They say Trump will pay a political price for that now. They also state Comey is not the great guy everyone now is say and he was most concerned with his own rep.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/comeys-des ... 1494380259

For all of these reasons and more, we advised Mr. Trump to sack Mr. Comey immediately upon taking office. The President will now pay a larger political price for waiting, as critics question the timing of his action amid the FBI’s probe of his campaign’s alleged Russia ties. Democrats are already portraying Mr. Comey as a liberal martyr, though last October they accused him of partisan betrayal.

The reality is that Mr. Comey has always been most concerned with the politics of his own reputation. He styles himself as the last honest man in Washington as he has dangled insinuations across his career about the George W. Bush White House and surveillance, then Mrs. Clinton and emails, and now Mr. Trump and Russia. He is political in precisely the way we don’t want a leader of America’s premier law-enforcement agency to behave.


Fine time for this article to come out don't you think? He was upheld as anything but political in October and many on here defended him then.


Nobody ever said he wasn't political. What was said was that he wasn't trying to take down Democrats. You hated him in October. Don't tell me he's your hero now. He's a self-aggrandizing goof. He never should have said shit about the Clinton investigation in the first place and he wouldn't have been in a position where he had to say something right before the election. And now he's grandstanding on this phony Russia crap.



If the Russia stuff is phony then why is Trump's own party leading an investigation into his team's ties with Russian officials?



You and I have discussed this before. McCain and Graham are Russophobes. These guys live in a Cold War spy novel fantasy.

If the Russia stuff is real, why aren't we impeaching Trump immediately?



It's not just McCain and Graham. There are many hypotheses regarding the Russia stuff, many of which may be fantastical. But thus far some real stuff has surfaced regarding Page, Manafort, and Flynn. Are you saying Flynn's ouster was based on faulty evidence?


I'm saying Flynn is a dope who lied about something there was no need to lie about.

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Because far too many people in DC are more interested in party and zealotry over country.


I agree with that. Even if there were a real reason to impeach a president support for it would likely break down along party lines.

Although, as vegan pointed out, Republicans are supporting this phony Russian investigation as well.

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He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general./quote]

The WSJ isn't some right wing rag you can toss aside like other sources.

Well it is an opinion piece from a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch. I agree that in general their standard news stories are generally balanced, but similar to the Tribune the editorial staff often exhibits a distinct slant.

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He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general./quote]

The WSJ isn't some right wing rag you can toss aside like other sources.

Well it is an opinion piece from a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch. I agree that in general their standard news stories are generally balanced, but similar to the Tribune the editorial staff often exhibits a distinct slant.


Yeah just as the NYT does. My larger point is LTG used his throwaway line like it is something that it is not.

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pittmike wrote:
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He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general./quote]

The WSJ isn't some right wing rag you can toss aside like other sources.

Well it is an opinion piece from a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch. I agree that in general their standard news stories are generally balanced, but similar to the Tribune the editorial staff often exhibits a distinct slant.


Yeah just as the NYT does. My larger point is LTG used his throwaway line like it is something that it is not.


Yes they do and I'm sure that Comey hasn't become decidedly more political during the past 6 months than he was previously.

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Fuck him. He purposely called Nazi concentration camps "Polish death camps" then refused to apologize even when rebuked by Jewish organizations.

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He sure was yours Trump's and my larger point pertains to WSJ and partisan Republicans in general./quote]

The WSJ isn't some right wing rag you can toss aside like other sources.

Well it is an opinion piece from a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch. I agree that in general their standard news stories are generally balanced, but similar to the Tribune the editorial staff often exhibits a distinct slant.


Yeah just as the NYT does. My larger point is LTG used his throwaway line like it is something that it is not.



Yeah but you cited WSJ. I didn't cite the NYT and I find the timing of it suspicious just like I found his timing suspicious in October. Rightfully so I might add.

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Trump finally came to the realization that one of the big reasons he's stuck as president was Comey's last minute sabotage of Clinton.

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Who is Trump going to nominate as Comey's replacement? Chris Christie? :lol: Rudy Giuliani? :lol: :lol:

This is likely going to be an attempt at a massive power grab by the Orange One.

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a massive power grab by the Orange One.


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Trump finally came to the realization that one of the big reasons he's stuck as president was Comey's last minute sabotage of Clinton.

Of course he's pissed.


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Trump finally came to the realization that one of the big reasons he's stuck as president was Corey's last minute sabotage of Clinton.

Of course he's pissed.


Exactly! "How dare you accidentally help me become president!"

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Who is Trump going to nominate as Comey's replacement? Chris Christie? :lol: Rudy Giuliani? :lol: :lol:

This is likely going to be an attempt at a massive power grab by the Orange One.


Definitely one of them.

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Who is Trump going to nominate as Comey's replacement? Chris Christie? :lol: Rudy Giuliani? :lol: :lol:

This is likely going to be an attempt at a massive power grab by the Orange One.


Definitely one of them.

I'm placing my bet on David Clarke just because Trump loves a good shit show.

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Who is Trump going to nominate as Comey's replacement? Chris Christie? :lol: Rudy Giuliani? :lol: :lol:

This is likely going to be an attempt at a massive power grab by the Orange One.


Definitely one of them.

I'm placing my bet on David Clarke just because Trump loves a good shit show.


Probably just bomb North Korea to really shake things up

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And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.

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And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.


It won't be interesting unless he appoints someone like Christie to head the FBI. Otherwise, that investigation won't be going away anytime soon.

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And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.


It won't be interesting unless he appoints someone like Christie to head the FBI. Otherwise, that investigation won't be going away anytime soon.

Just remember, whoever Trump appoints has to pass the Senate.

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And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.


It won't be interesting unless he appoints someone like Christie to head the FBI. Otherwise, that investigation won't be going away anytime soon.

Just remember, whoever Trump appoints has to pass the Senate.


Susan Collins must be feeling (Chris Matthews' old) tingle up her leg.

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 Post subject: Re: Comey Fired
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:46 am 
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.


It won't be interesting unless he appoints someone like Christie to head the FBI. Otherwise, that investigation won't be going away anytime soon.

Just remember, whoever Trump appoints has to pass the Senate.


Susan Collins must be feeling (Chris Matthews' old) tingle up her leg.

He's going to hopefully have a lot of opposition there with whoever he appoints, and not just from the two old fucking warmongers (McCain and Graham) who haven't found a country they don't want to bomb.

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 Post subject: Re: Comey Fired
PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 11:49 am 
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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
And now it's being reported that Comey had just asked for money to kick up his Russia investigation. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, Russia ISN'T a factor.


It won't be interesting unless he appoints someone like Christie to head the FBI. Otherwise, that investigation won't be going away anytime soon.

Just remember, whoever Trump appoints has to pass the Senate.


Susan Collins must be feeling (Chris Matthews' old) tingle up her leg.

He's going to hopefully have a lot of opposition there with whoever he appoints, and not just from the two old fucking warmongers (McCain and Graham)


If Rubio had a spine (and the rumors about him aren't true) he has to see this as a golden opportunity. Especially with Cruz still licking his wounds from the beating Yates gave him. He has to know that he can't trust his compatriots and their changing loyalties/rules.

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