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For real or just another hit piece?

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Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

During the May 10 meeting at the White House with Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak, Trump began describing details about an Islamic State terror threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft, according to current and former U.S. officials.

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By Greg Miller and Greg Jaffe May 15 at 5:01 PM

President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said that Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

The information Trump relayed had been provided by a U.S. partner through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the U.S. government, officials said.

The partner had not given the United States permission to share the material with Russia, and officials said that Trump’s decision to do so risks cooperation from an ally that has access to the inner workings of the Islamic State. After Trump’s meeting, senior White House officials took steps to contain the damage, placing calls to the CIA and National Security Agency.

“This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”

The revelation comes as Trump faces rising legal and political pressure on multiple Russia-related fronts. Last week, he fired FBI Director James B. Comey in the midst of a bureau investigation into links between the Trump campaign and Moscow. Trump’s subsequent admission that his decision was driven by “this Russia thing” was seen by critics as attempted obstruction of justice.


One day after dismissing Comey, Trump welcomed Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak — a key figure in earlier Russia controversies — into the Oval Office. It was during that meeting, officials said, that Trump went off script and began describing details about an Islamic State terrorist threat related to the use of laptop computers on aircraft.


For most anyone in government discussing such matters with an adversary would be illegal. As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law.

“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” said H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, who participated in the meeting. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”

The CIA declined to comment and the National Security Agency did not respond to requests for comment.

But officials expressed concern with Trump’s handling of sensitive information as well as his grasp of the potential consequences. Exposure of an intelligence stream that has provided critical insight into the Islamic State, they said, could hinder the United States’ and its allies’ ability to detect future threats.

“It is all kind of shocking,” said a former senior U.S. official close to current administration officials. “Trump seems to be very reckless, and doesn’t grasp the gravity of the things he’s dealing with, especially when it comes to intelligence and national security. And it’s all clouded because of this problem he has with Russia.”

In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. “I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” Trump said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.

Trump went on to discuss aspects of the threat that the United States only learned through the espionage capabilities of a key partner. He did not reveal the specific intelligence gathering method, but described how the Islamic State was pursuing elements of a specific plot and how much harm such an attack could cause under varying circumstances. Most alarmingly, officials said, Trump revealed the city in the Islamic State’s territory where the U.S. intelligence partner detected the threat.

The Washington Post is withholding most plot details, including the name of the city, at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities.

“Everyone knows this stream is very sensitive and the idea of sharing it at this level of granularity with the Russians is troubling,” said a former senior U.S. counterterrorism official who also worked closely with members of the Trump national security team. He and others spoke on condition of anonymity, citing the sensitivity of the subject.

The identification of the location was seen as particularly problematic, officials said, because Russia could use that detail to help identify the U.S. ally or intelligence capability involved. Officials said that the capability could be useful for other purposes, possibly providing intelligence on Russia’s presence in Syria. Moscow and would be keenly interested in identifying that source and possibly disrupting it.

Russia and the United States both regard the Islamic State as an enemy and share limited information about terrorist threats. But the two nations have competing agendas in Syria, where Moscow has deployed military assets and personnel to support Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

“Russia could identify our sources or techniques,” the senior U.S. official said. A former intelligence official who handled high-level intelligence on Russia said that given the clues Trump provided, “I don’t think that it would be that hard [for Russian spy services] to figure this out.”

At a more fundamental level, the information wasn’t the United States’ to provide to others. Under the rules of espionage, governments — and even individual agencies — are given significant control over whether and how the information they gather is disseminated even after it has been shared. Violating that practice undercuts trust considered essential to sharing secrets.

The officials declined to identify the ally, but said it is one that has previously voiced frustration with Washington’s inability to safeguard sensitive information related to Iraq and Syria.

“If that partner learned we’d given this to Russia without their knowledge or asking first that is a blow to that relationship,” the U.S. official said.

Trump also described measures that the United States has taken or is contemplating to counter the threat, including military operations in Iraq and Syria as well as other steps to tighten security, officials said.

The officials would not discuss details of those measures, but the Department of Homeland Security recently disclosed that it is considering banning laptops and other large electronic devices from carry-on bags on flights between Europe and the United States. The United States and Britain imposed a similar ban in March affecting travelers passing through airports in 10 Muslim-majority countries.

Trump cast the countermeasures in wistful terms. “Can you believe the world we live in today?” he said, according to one official. “Isn’t it crazy.”

Lavrov and Kislyak were also accompanied by aides.

A Russian photographer took photos of part of the session that were released by the Russian state-owned Tass news agency. No U.S. news organization was allowed to attend any part of the meeting.

Senior White House officials appeared to recognize quickly that Trump had overstepped and moved to contain the potential fallout.

Thomas P. Bossert, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, placed calls to the directors of the CIA and the NSA, services most directly involved in the intelligence-sharing arrangement with the partner.

One of Bossert’s subordinates also called for the problematic portion of Trump’s discussion to be stricken from internal memos and for the full transcript to be limited to a small circle of recipients, efforts to prevent sensitive details from being disseminated further or leaked.

Trump has repeatedly gone off-script in his dealings with high-ranking foreign officials, most notably in his contentious introductory conversation with the Australian Prime Minister earlier this year. He has also faced criticism for lax attention to security at his Florida retreat Mar-a-Lago, where he appeared to field preliminary reports of a North Korea missile launch in full view of casual diners.


U.S. officials said that the National Security Council continues to prepare multi-page briefings for Trump to guide him through conversations with foreign leaders but that he has insisted that the guidance be distilled to a single page of bullet points, and often ignores those.

“He seems to get in the room or on the phone and just goes with it — and that has big downsides,” the second former official said. “Does he understand what’s classified and what’s not? That’s what worries me.”

Lavrov’s reaction to the Trump disclosures was muted, officials said, calling for the United States to work more closely with Moscow on fighting terrorism.

Kislyak has figured prominently in damaging stories about the Trump administration’s ties to Russia. Trump’s initial national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was forced to resign just 24 days into the job over his contacts with Kislyak and misleading statements about them. U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was forced to recuse himself from matters related to the FBI’s Russia investigation after it was revealed that he had met and spoke with Kislyak despite denying any contact with Russian officials during his confirmation hearing.

“I’m sure Kislyak was able to fire off a good cable back to the Kremlin with all the details” he gleaned from Trump, said the former U.S. official who handled intelligence on Russia.

The White House readout of the meeting with Lavrov and Kislyak made no mention of the discussion of a terrorist threat.

“Trump emphasized the need to work together to end the conflict in Syria,” the summary said. Trump also “raised Ukraine” and “emphasized his desire to build a better relationship between the United States and Russia.”

Julie Tate and Ellen Nakashima contributed to this report.


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For real or just another hit piece?

I'm guessing it's a little of column A and a little of column B...if you told me he shared such info with the Russians I wouldn't be shocked and I also wouldn't be shocked if the reaction to it was in lockstep with party affiliation.


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I also wouldn't be shocked if the reaction to it was in lockstep with party affiliation.


But that's not the case this time around. This is not a typical partisan fight. Remember, the GOP controls all three branches of government and still this guy is getting pummeled with Russia accusations from people on both sides of the aisle.

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If the information shared relates to a credible threat, then I don't see much here.

The information the article comments on was information that was given to the press a few months ago when the US and UK imposed bans on laptops on flights from certain countries.

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It just shows why adult Washington is trying to keep him out of the loop.

First the 7th Fleet didn't tell him where they were, then Tillerson started to seem to be edging away from him, now the already hostile intelligence groups have more reasons to start to withhold more info. Clapper may be just the guy to give squeamish republicans cover to make their break.

But I still doubt it.

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This is beyond insane. Top officials reporting this is far worse than they are able to tell anyone. We have a traitor in the white house, and its the president.

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lipidquadcab wrote:
I also wouldn't be shocked if the reaction to it was in lockstep with party affiliation.


But that's not the case this time around. This is not a typical partisan fight. Remember, the GOP controls all three branches of government and still this guy is getting pummeled with Russia accusations from people on both sides of the aisle.

Well, someone is buying the shit being fed to them by their Republican congressmen.

They'll tell you at their town halls that they are "troubled" by this sort of stuff, but when it comes time for them to actually do something about it...crickets.


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Erica Werner (whoever that is) on twitter just now...

McCain just saw WP: "We certainly don't want any president to leak classified information but the president does have the right to do that."

What a Maverick!


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Another hit piece ! Sad !


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I really do hope that this is fake news. This quote is frightening because it's so child like.

I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” Trump said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.

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Any time they want to impeach this dope would be great.

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Erica Werner (whoever that is) on twitter just now...

McCain just saw WP: "We certainly don't want any president to leak classified information but the president does have the right to do that."

What a Maverick!


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Now this is where it gets really bad:

The intel shared was intel from an ally that was shared without permission. That jeopardizes future intelligence sharing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/p ... p=cur&_r=0

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So, even if there's no smoking gun with Russia, maybe we should be upset that our president, you know, has the trustworthiness of a teenage girl?

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So, even if there's no smoking gun with Russia, maybe we should be upset that our president, you know, has the trustworthiness of a teenage girl?


you can usually trust a teenage girl to not talk to known murders, though.

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You mean it's better when the balck guy is in charge?


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In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump seemed to be boasting about his inside knowledge of the looming threat. “I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” Trump said, according to an official with knowledge of the exchange.
I .... I don't even ...

Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.”
Also more information than McCain ever revealed to the Vietnamese, and he was there, what, five years?


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Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team "were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information." Not fit!


Anyone want to attempt to excuse that trio of quotes?

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"The Washington Post is withholding most plot details, including the name of the city, at the urging of officials who warned that revealing them would jeopardize important intelligence capabilities."

Read that a few times to make sure you understand what they're saying.

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I'm shocked that the president of the most powerful civilization in the history of mankind with the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet gets good intelligence briefings. He should brag about that more.

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I'm shocked that the president of the most powerful civilization in the history of mankind with the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet gets good intelligence briefings. He should brag about that more.


I thought he said he was his own best advisor because he went to school and has great thoughts or something. I'm not even joking.

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This guy isn't clever. He's careless and stupid. Egregiously so. Over and over. Wantonly and recklessly, and he doesn't have the slightest grasp of the gravity of it all.

They're gonna invoke the 25th Amendment, Section 4. Why didn't I see that before?

I cannot possibly imagine the true shitstorm that would become. It causes gastric distress to even start to think about it.

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As I recall, polls showed that a majority of posters here voted for Trump. Time for the big reveal.

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Defiant Trump says he had 'absolute right' to share information with Russia

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump insisted Tuesday he had the right to share information with Russia related to terrorism and other issues, his first public response to the revelation he disclosed classified information at an Oval Office meeting last week.

"As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety, Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism," he tweeted.


Trump shared highly classified information with the Russian foreign minister and Russian ambassador to the US in a White House meeting last week, The Washington Post first reported Monday.

Trump's tweets Tuesday notably lack any mention of whether the information he shared was classified.

But two former officials knowledgeable of the situation confirmed to CNN that the main points of the Post story are accurate: The President shared classified information with the Russian foreign minister.


Trump did not directly reveal the source of the information, but intelligence officials told CNN that there is concern that Russia will be able to figure out the highly sensitive source.

The White House dismissed the report Monday night, issuing several statements before sending H.R. McMaster, Trump's national security adviser who was a part of the meeting, before White House reporters.

"At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the President did not disclose any military operations that weren't already publicly known," McMaster said. "I was in the room. It didn't happen."

Early responses to the bombshell report indicate that, if true, handling sensitive details in this manner would have broad implications on US partnerships around the world and could place the lives of agents in the field at risk.

"Never before have I witnessed a senior government official so carelessly threaten an intelligence-sharing relationship," a former senior intelligence official told CNN.

Mark Hertling, a national security, intelligence and terrorism analyst for CNN, said giving Russia information has not historically led to them being forthcoming with the United States.


"I'm concerned about the fact that the President feels like he has to give something to Russia first when there have been repeated instances of Russia being sanctioned in Ukraine, committing war crimes in Syria and conducting operations that are contrary to what we'd like to believe are freedom of operations and sovereignties of different nations," he said Tuesday on CNN's "New Day." "This confuses me to no end."

Putin requested meeting

The Wednesday meeting between Trump, Lavrov and Kislyak had already raised alarm bells in Washington, primarily because it came one day after Trump decided to fire FBI Director James Comey while the bureau investigated his campaign's alleged ties to Russia.

The meeting, a personal request from Russian President Vladimir Putin -- who asked that they meet when he spoke with Trump earlier this month -- was supposed to remain behind closed doors without any media coverage. But a photographer from Russian state-media Tass attended the meeting and took photos of a laughing Trump with Lavrov and Kislyak.

No US media were allowed into the meeting.

Though an angry White House official told CNN they felt "tricked" by the Russians, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "proper protocol was followed" by not allowing media into the meeting.

Throughout the 2016 campaign, Trump slammed Hillary Clinton for storing classified information on her private email server.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team 'were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,' Trump tweeted in July. "Not fit!"


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Defiant Trump says he had 'absolute right' to share information with Russia

Washington (CNN) President Donald Trump insisted Tuesday he had the right to share information with Russia related to terrorism and other issues, his first public response to the revelation he disclosed classified information at an Oval Office meeting last week.

"As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety, Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism," he tweeted.


Trump shared highly classified information with the Russian foreign minister and Russian ambassador to the US in a White House meeting last week, The Washington Post first reported Monday.

Trump's tweets Tuesday notably lack any mention of whether the information he shared was classified.

But two former officials knowledgeable of the situation confirmed to CNN that the main points of the Post story are accurate: The President shared classified information with the Russian foreign minister.


Trump did not directly reveal the source of the information, but intelligence officials told CNN that there is concern that Russia will be able to figure out the highly sensitive source.

The White House dismissed the report Monday night, issuing several statements before sending H.R. McMaster, Trump's national security adviser who was a part of the meeting, before White House reporters.

"At no time were intelligence sources or methods discussed and the President did not disclose any military operations that weren't already publicly known," McMaster said. "I was in the room. It didn't happen."

Early responses to the bombshell report indicate that, if true, handling sensitive details in this manner would have broad implications on US partnerships around the world and could place the lives of agents in the field at risk.

"Never before have I witnessed a senior government official so carelessly threaten an intelligence-sharing relationship," a former senior intelligence official told CNN.

Mark Hertling, a national security, intelligence and terrorism analyst for CNN, said giving Russia information has not historically led to them being forthcoming with the United States.


"I'm concerned about the fact that the President feels like he has to give something to Russia first when there have been repeated instances of Russia being sanctioned in Ukraine, committing war crimes in Syria and conducting operations that are contrary to what we'd like to believe are freedom of operations and sovereignties of different nations," he said Tuesday on CNN's "New Day." "This confuses me to no end."

Putin requested meeting

The Wednesday meeting between Trump, Lavrov and Kislyak had already raised alarm bells in Washington, primarily because it came one day after Trump decided to fire FBI Director James Comey while the bureau investigated his campaign's alleged ties to Russia.

The meeting, a personal request from Russian President Vladimir Putin -- who asked that they meet when he spoke with Trump earlier this month -- was supposed to remain behind closed doors without any media coverage. But a photographer from Russian state-media Tass attended the meeting and took photos of a laughing Trump with Lavrov and Kislyak.

No US media were allowed into the meeting.

Though an angry White House official told CNN they felt "tricked" by the Russians, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said "proper protocol was followed" by not allowing media into the meeting.

Throughout the 2016 campaign, Trump slammed Hillary Clinton for storing classified information on her private email server.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team 'were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,' Trump tweeted in July. "Not fit!"



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After calling the Washington Post liars and sending out General McMaster to deny the reports, President Trump just tweeted that he did share this information. How can you work for a man like that?

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I guess we won't know exactly what he disclosed or did not but I am reading no crime and a POTUS can basically declassify whatever he wants in a situation like this. As always with him its the same it seems. He probably should not have done it, he will bluster one way and have his people talk about it another and nothing will happen.

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:11 am 
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pittmike wrote:
He probably should not have done it, he will bluster one way and have his people talk about it another and nothing will happen.


But if he shouldn't have done it and then lies to make it go away then wouldn't you say something did happen?

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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 7:14 am 
pittmike wrote:
I guess we won't know exactly what he disclosed or did not but I am reading no crime and a POTUS can basically declassify whatever he wants in a situation like this. As always with him its the same it seems. He probably should not have done it, he will bluster one way and have his people talk about it another and nothing will happen.

You're a very accomplished dancer. You know what else was perfectly legal? Hillary's server.


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