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Jealous.

How awesome would it be to have a slave? Someone to do all your shit and you can take your day out on them. All for free too.

I mean, that's what a wife is suppose to be for but the American woman is worthless now.

We should consider bringing slavery back.

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This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead


And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. It could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

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This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
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And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.

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Damn, Denzel is getting it in. :shock:

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
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And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.


I think he's referring to the belief that if you aren't well-off and comfortable in life, then that means you're just not working hard enough. Or if you're sick then you have poor personal habits, or if you can't afford insurance then you shouldn't have bought clothes, etc.

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I think he's referring to the belief that if you aren't well-off and comfortable in life, then that means you're just not working hard enough. Or if you're sick then you have poor personal habits, or if you can't afford insurance then you shouldn't have bought clothes, etc.


This is the argument I often have with friends of mine, some of them who consider themselves hardcore Libertarians, actual Ron Paul delegates. Not everyone is as capable as you are. Does that mean we should just let them perish? Stand behind them with a whip and make them work to a level that reaches your satisfaction? Or should we just accept that for whatever reason not everyone is capable and if we're going to call ourselves human beings we need to provide for those people?

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Damn, Denzel is getting it in. :shock:


He should have gone with Smirnoff.

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We should provide slaves for all these people that aren't capable of taking care of themselves.

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Damn, Denzel is getting it in. :shock:


He should have gone with Smirnoff.


I did that once. Never again.

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Hockey Gay wrote:
Jealous.

How awesome would it be to have a slave? Someone to do all your shit and you can take your day out on them. All for free too.

I mean, that's what a wife is suppose to be for but the American woman is worthless now.

We should consider bringing slavery back.



I'm not a Michael Moore fan, but he did a hilarious bit on that TV show he used to have. Apparently, one of the southern states never actually took slavery off the books, so Moore showed up at the state house with Rusty Cundieff in shackles and started asking state employees where he needed to go to register his slave.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
/quote]

And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.


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On an early evening in mid-January, I sat with four workers from a Nike contract factory owned by the corporation Ching Luh , based in an industrial park in the rural district of Ben Luc. Three of them told me they had seen different managers throw shoes at workers, and one of them said she witnessed a manager “grab the nose” of a worker and threatened to slap her if she filed a complaint; the same worker also claimed her manager has called her a “di cho,” the Vietnamese curse equivalent to bitch or whore. They also said they felt constantly watched by company cameras (which they believed were there to deter workers from stealing from the company or organizing protests or strikes). One woman broke down in tears discussing her manager. “They’re just so mean,” she said. “‘You’re an adult, make people respect you!’” she said managers will yell at her. She said that the response to complaints was to “only make your life harder and try to make you quiet.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... paign.html

These are the factories you defend. Fine if they are paid "wages".

But you want to slit someone's throat because they did not ship a slave back his parents brought over with his own money. And I thought you were against use of force and theft.

You would turn your own mother in for the arrangement in the article? At what age?

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wait, Vietnam is socialist. what are you talking about now? I thought socialism provided for those incapable of doing so themselves.

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wait, Vietnam is socialist. what are you talking about now? I thought socialism provided for those incapable of doing so themselves.


Is this supposed to be cute? Do you think that Vietnam represents a modern state, or a developing post colonial one?

Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
/quote]

And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.


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On an early evening in mid-January, I sat with four workers from a Nike contract factory owned by the corporation Ching Luh , based in an industrial park in the rural district of Ben Luc. Three of them told me they had seen different managers throw shoes at workers, and one of them said she witnessed a manager “grab the nose” of a worker and threatened to slap her if she filed a complaint; the same worker also claimed her manager has called her a “di cho,” the Vietnamese curse equivalent to bitch or whore. They also said they felt constantly watched by company cameras (which they believed were there to deter workers from stealing from the company or organizing protests or strikes). One woman broke down in tears discussing her manager. “They’re just so mean,” she said. “‘You’re an adult, make people respect you!’” she said managers will yell at her. She said that the response to complaints was to “only make your life harder and try to make you quiet.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... paign.html

These are the factories you defend. Fine if they are paid "wages".

But you want to slit someone's throat because they did not ship a slave back his parents brought over with his own money. And I thought you were against use of force and theft.

You would turn your own mother in for the arrangement in the article? At what age?

Owning a slave is a pretty gross violation of the NAP.

Perhaps you should familiairze yourself with the NAP before you comment further.

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Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.


It was socialist until everyone started starving so they figured, hey maybe this doesn't work.

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wait, Vietnam is socialist. what are you talking about now? I thought socialism provided for those incapable of doing so themselves.


Is this supposed to be cute? Do you think that Vietnam represents a modern state, or a developing post colonial one?

Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.

Vietnam is still a Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic.

They are slowly reforming, and standards of living have increased with those reforms, but they are still largely a centrally planned economy. They are learning from China in those regards where economic liberalization brought prosperity.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
/quote]

And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.


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On an early evening in mid-January, I sat with four workers from a Nike contract factory owned by the corporation Ching Luh , based in an industrial park in the rural district of Ben Luc. Three of them told me they had seen different managers throw shoes at workers, and one of them said she witnessed a manager “grab the nose” of a worker and threatened to slap her if she filed a complaint; the same worker also claimed her manager has called her a “di cho,” the Vietnamese curse equivalent to bitch or whore. They also said they felt constantly watched by company cameras (which they believed were there to deter workers from stealing from the company or organizing protests or strikes). One woman broke down in tears discussing her manager. “They’re just so mean,” she said. “‘You’re an adult, make people respect you!’” she said managers will yell at her. She said that the response to complaints was to “only make your life harder and try to make you quiet.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... paign.html

These are the factories you defend. Fine if they are paid "wages".

But you want to slit someone's throat because they did not ship a slave back his parents brought over with his own money. And I thought you were against use of force and theft.

You would turn your own mother in for the arrangement in the article? At what age?

Owning a slave is a pretty gross violation of the NAP.

Perhaps you should familiairze yourself with the NAP before you comment further.


What are these workers in sweat shops? How are their lives that much different from woman described in the article? In places with extreme poverty I would say there is no difference to an unbiased observer. It's why I find it interesting that you reacted so angrily to this article.

It's like saying fuck slavery, but share cropping and Jim Crow are fine. The free market controls those.

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Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.


It was socialist until everyone started starving so they figured, hey maybe this doesn't work.


Yeah. They were thriving up until the moment they were "socialist".

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
This person kept or allowed a close relative to keep a slave for over 4 decades. This person wrote fucking Pulitzer prize winning material about the mistreatment of others while his mother still kept a slave.

Fuck him, fuck his family, and I'm glad he's dead[
/quote]

And you have summed up Libertarianism for everyone below a certain income level. If could be a creed set in stone at the sweatshops.

You're the one defending slave ownership.

Pretty sure Libertarianism doesn't believe one person can own another.


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On an early evening in mid-January, I sat with four workers from a Nike contract factory owned by the corporation Ching Luh , based in an industrial park in the rural district of Ben Luc. Three of them told me they had seen different managers throw shoes at workers, and one of them said she witnessed a manager “grab the nose” of a worker and threatened to slap her if she filed a complaint; the same worker also claimed her manager has called her a “di cho,” the Vietnamese curse equivalent to bitch or whore. They also said they felt constantly watched by company cameras (which they believed were there to deter workers from stealing from the company or organizing protests or strikes). One woman broke down in tears discussing her manager. “They’re just so mean,” she said. “‘You’re an adult, make people respect you!’” she said managers will yell at her. She said that the response to complaints was to “only make your life harder and try to make you quiet.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/business/ ... paign.html

These are the factories you defend. Fine if they are paid "wages".

But you want to slit someone's throat because they did not ship a slave back his parents brought over with his own money. And I thought you were against use of force and theft.

You would turn your own mother in for the arrangement in the article? At what age?

Owning a slave is a pretty gross violation of the NAP.

Perhaps you should familiairze yourself with the NAP before you comment further.


What are these workers in sweat shops? How are their lives that much different from woman described in the article? In places with extreme poverty I would say there is no difference to an unbiased observer. It's why I find it interesting that you reacted so angrily to this article.

It's like saying fuck slavery, but share cropping and Jim Crow are fine. The free market controls those.

Jim Crow was state mandated segregation. Pretty sure that isn't free market, in fact, it's quite the opposite.

That's why they are called "Jim Crow Laws"

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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wait, Vietnam is socialist. what are you talking about now? I thought socialism provided for those incapable of doing so themselves.


Is this supposed to be cute? Do you think that Vietnam represents a modern state, or a developing post colonial one?

Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.

Vietnam is still a Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic.

They are slowly reforming, and standards of living have increased with those reforms, but they are still largely a centrally planned economy. They are learning from China in those regards where economic liberalization brought prosperity.



Except they skipped a stage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_ ... of_history

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Percolating in my mind is some sort of wacky movie trailer where the protagonist finds out he inherited a slave and has to keep it hidden because he's too lazy or stupid to figure out a way to send her home. It stars Rob Schneider and "The Impression That I Get" by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones is playing in there somewhere.


But then in the denouement the slave gets off the Megabus and chooses to stay Rob Schneider's slave because she knows no other life and realizes that she's thankful for the clothing and shelter. This Woman's Work. Fin.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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wait, Vietnam is socialist. what are you talking about now? I thought socialism provided for those incapable of doing so themselves.


Is this supposed to be cute? Do you think that Vietnam represents a modern state, or a developing post colonial one?

Because a state has socialist in the name does not make it so. Ask Adolf Hitler.

Vietnam is still a Marxist–Leninist one-party socialist republic.

They are slowly reforming, and standards of living have increased with those reforms, but they are still largely a centrally planned economy. They are learning from China in those regards where economic liberalization brought prosperity.



Except they skipped a stage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_ ... of_history

So I guess you're going to argue Vietnam is not a country with a centralized to mixed economy? Granted liberalization has increased since 2001, but it's still largely a command economy.

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Percolating in my mind is some sort of wacky movie trailer where the protagonist finds out he inherited a slave and has to keep it hidden because he's too lazy or stupid to figure out a way to send her home. It stars Rob Schneider and "The Impression That I Get" by the Mighty Mighty Bosstones is playing in there somewhere.


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I mean, that's what a wife is suppose to be for but the American woman is worthless now.



That's funny you say that. If you go out on the West Coast / Hawaii, every other white guy is with some Asian woman. I've wondered why this is and I think it has something to do with the 'traditional' wife/woman archetype no longer works in Western culture. Our women, with the women's lib movement have been taught to strive just like your traditional man, which makes sense in a fair and equal society. Maybe for some of these guys, some of these foreign girls provide that traditional woman type they need.


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Jealous.

How awesome would it be to have a slave? Someone to do all your shit and you can take your day out on them. All for free too.

I mean, that's what a wife is suppose to be for but the American woman is worthless now.

We should consider bringing slavery back.



I'm not a Michael Moore fan, but he did a hilarious bit on that TV show he used to have. Apparently, one of the southern states never actually took slavery off the books, so Moore showed up at the state house with Rusty Cundieff in shackles and started asking state employees where he needed to go to register his slave.



Is this the clip:

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I think he's referring to the belief that if you aren't well-off and comfortable in life, then that means you're just not working hard enough. Or if you're sick then you have poor personal habits, or if you can't afford insurance then you shouldn't have bought clothes, etc.


This is the argument I often have with friends of mine, some of them who consider themselves hardcore Libertarians, actual Ron Paul delegates. Not everyone is as capable as you are. Does that mean we should just let them perish? Stand behind them with a whip and make them work to a level that reaches your satisfaction? Or should we just accept that for whatever reason not everyone is capable and if we're going to call ourselves human beings we need to provide for those people?


That's the question. Though I criticize the Ayn Rand types I actually admire some strains of her thinking. What I personally find hard to accept though from her fans is the assumption that everyone starts life from the same spot, and that "success," however defined, is the product of one's own efforts. That's a massive oversimplification, to be kind. It also creates and perpetuates false social hierarchies that make a lot of things about our society tough to swallow, like our disgust with impoverished and/or homeless people.

That being said, I think a lot of Ayn Rand types might read that and say something like "well, why should I be compelled to care for or fund the life of someone who chooses not to work as hard as me?" Ignoring the oversimplification for a minute, that's actually true - I do think it's fair to question how much you're going to allow the fruits of your own labor to be siphoned off to support something else, whatever that may be. But that gets into political philosophy when I think folks should rewind and ask a different question: yeah, I should have a right to enjoy the fruits of my own labor, but assuming I have some basic compassion about others, then what is to be done about people who, for whatever reason, have no fruits to enjoy? And why might they be in that sort of position? This is why I find it hard to not knock some of these Ayn Rand types because I do think, like WFR intimated, that the attitude is "fuck them, they deserve it." I'm all about working hard and taking personal responsibility, but I also recognize I got dealt a good hand in life, and that other people don't get the same hand as me. I don't think Ayn Rand types get that - they believe in a fiction.

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I think he's referring to the belief that if you aren't well-off and comfortable in life, then that means you're just not working hard enough. Or if you're sick then you have poor personal habits, or if you can't afford insurance then you shouldn't have bought clothes, etc.


This is the argument I often have with friends of mine, some of them who consider themselves hardcore Libertarians, actual Ron Paul delegates. Not everyone is as capable as you are. Does that mean we should just let them perish? Stand behind them with a whip and make them work to a level that reaches your satisfaction? Or should we just accept that for whatever reason not everyone is capable and if we're going to call ourselves human beings we need to provide for those people?


That's the question. Though I criticize the Ayn Rand types I actually admire some strains of her thinking. What I personally find hard to accept though from her fans is the assumption that everyone starts life from the same spot, and that "success," however defined, is the product of one's own efforts. That's a massive oversimplification, to be kind. It also creates and perpetuates false social hierarchies that make a lot of things about our society tough to swallow, like our disgust with impoverished and/or homeless people.

That being said, I think a lot of Ayn Rand types might read that and say something like "well, why should I be compelled to care for or fund the life of someone who chooses not to work as hard as me?" Ignoring the oversimplification for a minute, that's actually true - I do think it's fair to question how much you're going to allow the fruits of your own labor to be siphoned off to support something else, whatever that may be. But that gets into political philosophy when I think folks should rewind and ask a different question: yeah, I should have a right to enjoy the fruits of my own labor, but assuming I have some basic compassion about others, then what is to be done about people who, for whatever reason, have no fruits to enjoy? And why might they be in that sort of position? This is why I find it hard to not knock some of these Ayn Rand types because I do think, like WFR intimated, that the attitude is "fuck them, they deserve it." I'm all about working hard and taking personal responsibility, but I also recognize I got dealt a good hand in life, and that other people don't get the same hand as me. I don't think Ayn Rand types get that - they believe in a fiction.


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other people don't get the same hand as me

that's the complex part

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Jealous.

How awesome would it be to have a slave? Someone to do all your shit and you can take your day out on them. All for free too.

I mean, that's what a wife is suppose to be for but the American woman is worthless now.

We should consider bringing slavery back.



I'm not a Michael Moore fan, but he did a hilarious bit on that TV show he used to have. Apparently, one of the southern states never actually took slavery off the books, so Moore showed up at the state house with Rusty Cundieff in shackles and started asking state employees where he needed to go to register his slave.



Is this the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yvyMSYuuYM


Yeah, that's it. I misremembered. It was Cundieff that bought white guys as slaves.

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