WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He also wanted Iraqi/Muslim troops out also fool. He would not have accepted Iraqi troops on the ground either. He wanted to war with them too. You conveniently omit this from Your "analysis". You cite a damn article from 96 when everything Anti American dates back to 91. His first anti American rants began then. It was related to the Persian Gulf War. It wasn't an inherent hatred of Christianity. You along with a few other ignorant fools can form whatever message board consensus you like. I could care less. I read and I analyze.
No one has remotely tried to make this argument. You also do not understand that there is a major civil war going on between different sects of Islam.
Also, I did not present an "article" I provided what is called a primary source document that provides his motivate for hating the US. All of these are religious in origin.
Rather than name call, why don't you try to discuss actual facts? What's up with the hostility?
I'm tired of the "resident board historian" angle you have been trying to work. Every time you disagree about something of a historical nature you play the card. I could easily refute the stuff from 96 as propaganda. Bin Laden began hating the US in 91 and there are direct quotes primary sources which support it also. They are ignored because the need to present the religious angle is ever present.
How are you going to refute a primary source? This is not an article taking a stance. Unless you have a statement from him saying this was a lie, and I really was not motivated by these stated reasons then you are claiming the ability to understand his thoughts better than his public statements.
The rest of what you said shows that you have decided to start an argument for reasons other than the facts to win some board pissing contest that you perceive but doesn't exist.
Bin Laden was motivated by the teaching of his religion. Unless you can show something that says otherwise-it's the only binding thread in his actions. He was not it in for nationalism, monetary gain or personal comfort. He lived on the run fighting the west and in some cases other Muslims because of the manner in which he believed Islam should be practiced.
I stated that he targeted America because they had troops on the ground in Arabia. He said that he targeted the America because they had troops on the ground in Arabia. That interview in case you didnt know checks of the primary source box also. As such it supports earlier claims (1991) which state that he targeted the U.S. because he didn't want them on Arabian soil.
He made no mention of targeting Americans because they were Christians. When he referenced infidels he spoke of American troops. His war a political not religious war. This propaganda campaign regarding religion needs to cease and desist. 90% of Middle East is probably Muslim. If a soldier is fighting against the U.S. chances are they will be Muslim. If it is about Islam then why aren't their many Indonesians joining the cause?
For some reason that gets overlooked. Same thing with N.Korea. The reason that they have the U.S. in their crosshairs is because thousands of troops are stationed in S.Korea. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
Why is Arabia soil sacred though? You are flat-out ignoring this. And you keep saying Christians. You have no idea what you are talking about, and you would be dismissed from any serious conversation in an academic setting.
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