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Author:  FavreFan [ Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:16 pm ]
Post subject:  This is very simple stuff

Some try to complicate it. It isn't complicated.

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I have dedicated my life to defending individual freedom. Freedom to make good choices or bad choices. Freedom to say kind things or hurtful things. Freedom to pursue happiness anyway you choose as long as you don't hurt other people and don't take their stuff.

America was built on the principle that Dr. Cornel West and Richard Spencer both have a right to say what they believe and advocate their views without any prohibition from government. Muslims and anti-Shariah protesters in Dearborn share the same sacred right to speak, even if their speech is hateful.

What nobody has the right to do is engage in violence when their ideas fail. Nobody has a right to drive a Dodge Challenger into a crowd of protesters, injuring many and killing one. Nobody has a right to run into a crowd of protesters and beat them with sticks and clubs. Nobody has a right to, as the saying on Twitter goes, "punch a Nazi" who hasn't thrown the first punch.

Nationalism and racism is a sickness that flows from weakness and lack of anything other than the privilege of birth to be proud of. It's pathetic and it's anti-Libertarian. I want nothing to do with it or its advocates.

Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.

All freedoms, for all people, all of the time. That's what I believe in. That's what the Libertarian Party stands for.

We extend our deepest condolences to the friends and family of the woman killed in Charlottesville and all those impacted by the violence in Virginia.

Yours in liberty,

Nicholas Sarwark
Chairman, Libertarian National Committee

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

FavreFan wrote:
Some try to complicate it. It isn't complicated.

Quote:
I have dedicated my life to defending individual freedom. Freedom to make good choices or bad choices. Freedom to say kind things or hurtful things. Freedom to pursue happiness anyway you choose as long as you don't hurt other people and don't take their stuff.

America was built on the principle that Dr. Cornel West and Richard Spencer both have a right to say what they believe and advocate their views without any prohibition from government. Muslims and anti-Shariah protesters in Dearborn share the same sacred right to speak, even if their speech is hateful.

What nobody has the right to do is engage in violence when their ideas fail. Nobody has a right to drive a Dodge Challenger into a crowd of protesters, injuring many and killing one. Nobody has a right to run into a crowd of protesters and beat them with sticks and clubs. Nobody has a right to, as the saying on Twitter goes, "punch a Nazi" who hasn't thrown the first punch.

Nationalism and racism is a sickness that flows from weakness and lack of anything other than the privilege of birth to be proud of. It's pathetic and it's anti-Libertarian. I want nothing to do with it or its advocates.

Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.

All freedoms, for all people, all of the time. That's what I believe in. That's what the Libertarian Party stands for.

We extend our deepest condolences to the friends and family of the woman killed in Charlottesville and all those impacted by the violence in Virginia.

Yours in liberty,

Nicholas Sarwark
Chairman, Libertarian National Committee

The guy's kind of trapped in his own metaphors.

Author:  America [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

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Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.

Yes, and the "stronger" idea is determined by...what?

Author:  denisdman [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

America wrote:
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Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.

Yes, and the "stronger" idea is determined by...what?


By voters and society. It is why no one should try to shut down debate.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:23 am ]
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America wrote:
Quote:
Violence will not end violence. In the marketplace of ideas, the stronger ideas win.

Yes, and the "stronger" idea is determined by...what?


Mcnugget eating contest.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

Sadly not everyone agrees



Many people who claim to be Patriots have no idea what America is or understand the fundamental ideas that make it American

Ya got Right Wing Roger screamin love it ir leave it to anyone wwho raises any issue

On the other end you have Left wing Lancelot fighting AGAINST free speech

Author:  Don Tiny [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

Simple thoughts for simple people.

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

rogers park bryan wrote:
Sadly not everyone agrees



Many people who claim to be Patriots have no idea what America is or understand the fundamental ideas that make it American

Ya got Right Wing Roger screamin love it ir leave it to anyone wwho raises any issue

On the other end you have Left wing Lancelot fighting AGAINST free speech

we address this issue in one of my classes....

Author:  leashyourkids [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: This is very simple stuff

What do you teach?

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:03 pm ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
What do you teach?

Just the shit English classes since I never finished my Ph.D.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:08 pm ]
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formerlyknownas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
What do you teach?

Just the shit English classes since I never finished my Ph.D.

Oh, so Community College courses.

Author:  formerlyknownas [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:53 pm ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
formerlyknownas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
What do you teach?

Just the shit English classes since I never finished my Ph.D.

Oh, so Community College courses.

I teach at one CC, but two unis.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:04 pm ]
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Leave it to the Libertarians to simply and concisely make the right statement.

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