If you believe abortion is murder (not my belief BTW), then it is still murder even is a woman is raped or pregnant through incest. A so-called two wrongs don't make a right.

If you believe abortion is murder (not my belief BTW), then it is still murder even is a woman is raped or pregnant through incest. A so-called two wrongs don't make a right.

It's tough to have a middle position on this even though most Americans do. It is either murder or not. I don't believe it is up until a certain point in the pregnancy.

I understand that. There are some who call themselves Christians who would agree with the exception though

There are people that call themselves Christians that rape little boys.....

It's not necessarily murder. Here is an analogy.

Let's say that there was a button that had to be pressed once an hour by you and you alone. If it was not pushed once an hour by you then my head would explode and I would die. The key here is that no one else in the entire world could keep me alive. It is completely and totally on you and you alone. If you made the decision that this was not something you could do would it be murder to not press the button? If you had to have a medical procedure that put you under anesthesia for more than an hour that you needed would it be murder to need to not push that button?

This is why the concept of viability is so important and almost completely ignored by pro-life people. Hopefully one day medical science can bring the viability threshold down to such a low level that the discussion is unnecessary. Until then, it is difficult to tell someone to "push that button" or they are a murderer even one second after conception.

I'm pro choice but to play devils advocate... in your example, I'm being suddenly dropped into that button situation. Outside of rape, pregnancy doesn't just randomly happen. It would have to be that I agreed to push the button and then I changed my mind. That changes the entire calculus.

Eastern Orthodox priests aren't disallowed from marrying.

Eastern Orthodox priests aren't disallowed from marrying.

aren't disallowed?

You're better than that.

Catholic priests are allowed to marry? I thought rules said no. Not familiar with that side of Christianity.

Let's say

I'm starting to know how Frank felt with the Flapjacks joke.

Let's say that there was a button that had to be pressed once an hour by you and you alone. If it was not pushed once an hour by you then my head would explode and I would die.

Best episode of Lost ever.

RPB, my wife and I were raised Catholic, but we raised our children Lutheran. As such, we went through a long series of classes to become members of our Lutheran Church. The pastors truly believed in a literal interpretation of the bible, and they absolutely believed in the catechism of the Missouri synod, no exceptions.

How about we left the free market decide what's covered and what isn't.

Let's say you found that button lying on the street and picked it up.

I think it's a stretch to say that every time someone has sex that they are agreeing to have a baby. Of course it can happen but many people take major precautions to avoid it so it's pretty clear that was not the intent.

But, even with what you said, it still doesn't really change the concept that it wouldn't be murder to not press the button even if you for some reason chose to do something that ended up with you in charge of the button.

Best episode of Lost ever.

RPB, my wife and I were raised Catholic, but we raised our children Lutheran. As such, we went through a long series of classes to become members of our Lutheran Church. The pastors truly believed in a literal interpretation of the bible, and they absolutely believed in the catechism of the Missouri synod, no exceptions. They preached it that way. They could tell you a story of why dinosaur bones did not indicate that the earth was more than 10,000 years old or why gay marriage should not be allowed.

They had a canned answer for everything.

As a guy with an undergrad in science, I have struggled with this stuff all my life. The Church used to believe that the earth was the center of the universe. So at some point, the evidence is so overwhelming that even the Church has to adjust. Probably time to rethink a few things.

No one has all the answers, at least here on earth.

It still doesn't make sense. I'm not picking up a button and randomly realizing that I have to press it for 9 months or a person dies. I would have to consciously make the desicion to start pressing the button for 9 months.

Let's say that the analogy isn't correct.