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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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but what do you do when you are not granted freedom?

Apparently you want to keep steamrolled.


Naw, bitch. I was born this way.


Whoever owns this mult must be 100 years old.


It is still popular

Probably not unlike Bernstein, I've never heard of it.

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Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side, and he brings a lot to the table on these forums. OnePost is no slouch either.


Agreed, but I'd include others like Darkside and IMU here as well. They appear earnest/honest in their positions

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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I am all good with Baby too. We have engaged in rational discussions several times. But he certainly antagonizes certain people around here.


So you can't like him because THEY don't like him?


Are you talking to me? Seriously, I can't see how you would come to the conclusion that I don't like him from what I posted. On balance, I am neutral. He doesn't bother me at all, and I find him entertaining at times.


I read the shots you've taken at him. It seemed like you didn't want to piss JORR off. My mistake.


Maybe he's taken shots because the guy is a complete shithead and you're a bad judge of character.

I'm not sure of your thoughts on the topic. Could you make them a little clearer?


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Our government has made it clear they can extradjudicially kill someone without trial. I'm pretty sure that is not legal under any standing and yes it's a slippery slope. We aren't there yet, but we are drifting towards the day where such a killing occurs in the US. Remember when Rand Paul filibustered over the drone program, he could not get a clear answer if such killings would be outlawed within US borders.


And people need to realize why things like that increasingly become an option. In a world that has increasingly become absolutist where you cannot begin to see the other side of the argument, let alone accept any compromise, then killing a piece of shit in the desert is a lot easier than bringing him to trial where civil rights groups have outlined a tactic of simply claiming torture as a defense. That doesn't even go into the complexity of dragging a dude off a 300 A.D. battlefield where he has numerous aliases, and then building a case against him likely without any witnesses other than the guys who captured him who work for the same government that will prosecute him. Civil rights lawyers have a field day using our own system against us.

Just about everything you listed as government overreach is justifiable to some degree but often made worse by people who proclaim to fight against it. The encryption debate is a perfect example. Absolutists won't allow for any wiggle room and so the government will continue to do their job and it will lead to a worse outcome. Not doing their job is not an option. And all the while Russia and China being what they are will do their job while we have one arm tied behind our back in the name of liberty. That was find during the Cold War v1 days where the arm was a moral high ground that often helped flip spies. This is the digital information Cold War v2. The arm we have tied now in the name of liberty will very likely make it impossible to compete while earning us no morality points.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side, and he brings a lot to the table on these forums. OnePost is no slouch either.


Agreed, but I'd include others like Darkside and IMU here as well. They appear earnest/honest in their positions

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Mrgoodkat should move to Saudi Arabia or North Korea. It sounds like he would like their laws better.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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Las Vegas gunman booked hotel near Grant Park during Lollapalooza: TMZ

Stephen Paddock, the gunman who perched himself in a Las Vegas hotel room and used a litany of guns to kill 58 people attending a concert below, booked rooms at a Michigan Avenue hotel overlooking Grant Park during Lollapalooza, but never showed up, according to a report from TMZ.

Paddock booked two rooms at The Blackstone Hotel, 636 S. Michigan Ave., one from Aug. 1 through Aug. 6 and the other during the duration of the fest, Aug. 3 through Aug. 6, according to the report.

The festival attracted some 400,000 attendees, including Malia Obama.

According to TMZ:

“The hotel directly overlooked the main stage as well as several adjoining stages. It also overlooks the main entrance and exit where thousands of people file through. And the hotel had a bird’s-eye view of the crowd. We’re told Paddock specifically requested both rooms be a ‘view room’ which only face Grant Park, where the concert was being held. . . . Sources tell TMZ Paddock had never booked a room at the hotel before, nor had his girlfriend.”

The hotel has 23 floors. TMZ did not indicate the location of the rooms Paddock had booked.

A manager at The Blackstone Hotel declined to comment Thursday morning and the FBI deferred all questions to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.


The Chicago Sun-Times has also reached out to representatives from Lollapalooza and the Chicago Police Department.

The TMZ reports come as investigators continue to probe Patton’s whereabouts in the months before the Las Vegas massacre.

The Associated Press reported Wednesday evening that Patton had rented a room in the Ogden Las Vegas hotel around the same time as the “Life is Beautiful” music festival, which was held Sept. 22-24.The room overlooked The Life is Beautiful festival, which featured Chance the Rapper, Muse, Lorde and Blink-182.

“Was he doing pre-surveillance? We don’t know yet,” said Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo. “This is all pre-conjecture.”

On Sunday, Paddock opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, killing 58 people and injuring nearly 530 at a country music festival before killing himself.

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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Las Vegas gunman booked hotel near Grant Park during Lollapalooza: TMZ

Stephen Paddock, the gunman who perched himself in a Las Vegas hotel room and used a litany of guns to kill 58 people attending a concert below, booked rooms at a Michigan Avenue hotel overlooking Grant Park during Lollapalooza, but never showed up, according to a report from TMZ.

Paddock booked two rooms at The Blackstone Hotel, 636 S. Michigan Ave., one from Aug. 1 through Aug. 6 and the other during the duration of the fest, Aug. 3 through Aug. 6, according to the report.

The festival attracted some 400,000 attendees, including Malia Obama.

According to TMZ:

“The hotel directly overlooked the main stage as well as several adjoining stages. It also overlooks the main entrance and exit where thousands of people file through. And the hotel had a bird’s-eye view of the crowd. We’re told Paddock specifically requested both rooms be a ‘view room’ which only face Grant Park, where the concert was being held. . . . Sources tell TMZ Paddock had never booked a room at the hotel before, nor had his girlfriend.”

The hotel has 23 floors. TMZ did not indicate the location of the rooms Paddock had booked.

A manager at The Blackstone Hotel declined to comment Thursday morning and the FBI deferred all questions to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.


The Chicago Sun-Times has also reached out to representatives from Lollapalooza and the Chicago Police Department.

The TMZ reports come as investigators continue to probe Patton’s whereabouts in the months before the Las Vegas massacre.

The Associated Press reported Wednesday evening that Patton had rented a room in the Ogden Las Vegas hotel around the same time as the “Life is Beautiful” music festival, which was held Sept. 22-24.The room overlooked The Life is Beautiful festival, which featured Chance the Rapper, Muse, Lorde and Blink-182.

“Was he doing pre-surveillance? We don’t know yet,” said Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo. “This is all pre-conjecture.”

On Sunday, Paddock opened fire from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino, killing 58 people and injuring nearly 530 at a country music festival before killing himself.


Is "Patton" Paddock?

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Damn, just how long was he planning this?

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 Post subject: Re: Vegas bloodbath
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Is "Patton" Paddock?

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Damn, just how long was he planning this?

He rented a cherry picker the weekend of the original Woodstock


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Damn, just how long was he planning this?

He rented a cherry picker the weekend of the original Woodstock

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Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.


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denisdman wrote:
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Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.

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tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
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Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.


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tommy wrote:
denisdman wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Ogie is a great American.


Glad he's on our side

Might I suggest taking your tongue out of his ass?

Ogie's not on our side. There is no "our" for libertarians. He's out for himself. Fuck the social consequences. For a guy who is against violence, he sure seems to reference it in nearly every post. And for a guy is pro-individual rights, he is glad to ignore the rights of others when you mention Israel. (And no, that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.)

Libertarians stand for nothing. Like Tea Partiers and SJWs, they are often incapable of nuance. What's more, they view sacrifice as a weakness. Their conscious minds are riddled with blind spots, and the only arguments in their bag are repetition and volume.

Ok. Now go clean your chin.


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The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit, which is inherently anxiety producing.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage. I don't think it had to do with politics at all.


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The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off


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The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit, which is inherently anxiety producing.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage. I don't think it had to do with politics at all.



He came their with the weapons.

He didn't go home and get them after the music was too loud.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off


It's a fact he was noise sensitive. I don't think it's ridiculous at all to exclude noise and concerts as part of his motive. The gambling machines that he played didn't have bells and whistles. The characteristic of the properties he owned was that they were private. He was private to the point of paranoia, having no contact with his neighbors. He shut himself off from them.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off


It's a fact he was noise sensitive. I don't think it's ridiculous at all to exclude noise and concerts as part of his motive. The gambling machines that he played didn't have bells and whistles. The characteristic of the properties he owned was that they were private. He was private to the point of paranoia.

He's noise sensitive so he rents rooms next to huge concerts on multiple occasions?


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CNN also reporting that someone briefed on the current findings of the FBI investigation is saying he had become obsessed with Marilou's ex-husband in the months leading up to the attack, they described him as "descending into madness". Maybe a brain tumor or something.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off


It's a fact he was noise sensitive. I don't think it's ridiculous at all to exclude noise and concerts as part of his motive. The gambling machines that he played didn't have bells and whistles. The characteristic of the properties he owned was that they were private. He was private to the point of paranoia.

He's noise sensitive so he rents rooms next to huge concerts on multiple occasions?


Don't forget the 12 assault rifles...

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

That points to a serious health condition, like cancer, that may have been killing him.

Add the anti-anxiety meds, which are mind altering, and that may have been enough to put him over the edge on top of a heavy gambling habit.

He also apparently was very noise sensitive, in that he complained twice to the hotel about guests playing country music too loud below him. The concert (and the noise) was the object of his rage.

I was with you until the last part.

I saw a joking post like that but that's ridiculous. He was renting rooms over every major concert in America.

It's actually a GOOD thing, the Hazardous Youth show is off


It's a fact he was noise sensitive. I don't think it's ridiculous at all to exclude noise and concerts as part of his motive. The gambling machines that he played didn't have bells and whistles. The characteristic of the properties he owned was that they were private. He was private to the point of paranoia.

He's noise sensitive so he rents rooms next to huge concerts on multiple occasions?


He was scouting them, maybe to see security and crowd patterns. Mentally, he was preparing himself for what he was going to do. He was a very calculating person.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
The detail no one is picking up on is that the shooter had suffered significant weight loss in recent months.

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wrong thread.

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