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Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's an interesting development in society that we have to have a discussion if a bar of soap hates minorities or just made a mistake pandering to minorities.


What if it's liquid soap??
Author:  Regular Reader [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:15 pm ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Right now some C level old man is longing for the days when people were upset at Dove for showing laughing fat ladies in their bras.


Is that a shot? :lol:


No :lol: :lol:

Were you upset about the t0pless fat lady ads?

I meant like a CEO, COO etc.


If you've been married to a woman older than 35, you've seen a potential actress/model for those ads every single day. It was hard to spend two seconds of thought about those after seeing them the first time.

Unless you were stuck next to a bus with one
Author:  Juiced [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:16 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's an interesting development in society that we have to have a discussion if a bar of soap hates minorities or just made a mistake pandering to minorities.


Donald Trump and Dove go back a long way my friend.
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Author:  Nas [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


I don't think you saw the ad.


Why do you say that?


There isn't a sequence.
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Regular Reader wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


Why was it even necessary to change races to imply cleanliness?


Why do you think they were implying one race is cleaner than the other?


I don't necessarily think that. I do believe that they were following the diversity trend in ads.

And picked a dumb way to do it in an ad for a cleaning product


I agree that they were saying their product appeals to a variety of people.

I think people reading hateful things into it, especially given the inclusive nature of their other ads, is a stretch.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Regular Reader wrote:
And picked a dumb way to do it in an ad for a cleaning product


I'm gonna guess that some young person that was ignorant of the history. Some of these kids don't even know who Hitler was. "That was before my time."
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Nas wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


I don't think you saw the ad.


Why do you say that?


There isn't a sequence.


Yes, there is.

"In the full clip, the black woman removed her t-shirt to reveal the white woman, who then lifted her own top to reveal an Asian woman."
Author:  Nas [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
I'm saying it's all dumb.
Author:  Joe Orr Road Rod [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?



Just go back to the fat chicks and piss Richard Roeper off.
Author:  beni hanna [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Tad Queasy wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Its one thing to say something off the cuff and have it be misconstrued in one way or another. I'm constantly shocked how ads and TV programs manage to screw things up and create controversies like this. Maybe it's because I'm a pessimist but any time I am coming up with a new idea/plan at work, I always think "How is this going to fuck me up in the long run?" How do they not have one person in a pitch meeting, during casting, during filming even, pipe up and say 'is it a good idea to have a soap commercial show a black person turning white?'

No persons of color in the decision making? Not their demographic maybe, so they were excluded out of any pre-screening commercials that were run for the 'target demographic'


Dove has gone out if their way in recent years to be inclusive, diverse, body positive, etc. in their ads. Given that, I would be surprised if a variety of people are not involved in either the creation or screening of their ads.

Then in my humble opinion whoever was involved in the process were not paying attention to current events, and what can be construed negatively in the public light. This is not a ground breaking ad that campaign. There are many ways to show soap cleans without running the risk of creating controversy. If Dove is not trying to stir up controversy, they should have paid closer attention to what might stir up controversy. Why create a potentially damning ad if something else will suffice just fine.

Interesting...Flip side: Dove runs the ad knowing it will create mild controversy (buzz). If you can get Trump or someone like him to tweet how much he loves Dove, and this is all nonsense in his most condescending way, Dove may have just increased sales.
Author:  W_Z [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:11 pm ]
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if you've ever met an ad writer, you would know that they're not really all there. these controversies would never cross their mind because they're under so much pressure to deliver something that sells.

whenever i see "social media was all over it", i know it's another bullshit story.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:15 pm ]
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W_Z wrote:
if you've ever met an ad writer, you would know that they're not really all there. .

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Author:  Caller Bob [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:18 pm ]
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And everyone is talking about "Dove" soap, so what if this was the plan all along?

Do something edgy on purpose.
Quickly retract it and apologize profusely.(great damage control).
All is forgiven, but product is in the headlines for a while.
Author:  shirtless driver [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:34 pm ]
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W_Z wrote:
if you've ever met an ad writer, you would know that they're not really all there. these controversies would never cross their mind because they're under so much pressure to deliver something that sells.

whenever i see "social media was all over it", i know it's another bullshit story.


:cheers:
Author:  tommy [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Tad Queasy wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Its one thing to say something off the cuff and have it be misconstrued in one way or another. I'm constantly shocked how ads and TV programs manage to screw things up and create controversies like this. Maybe it's because I'm a pessimist but any time I am coming up with a new idea/plan at work, I always think "How is this going to fuck me up in the long run?" How do they not have one person in a pitch meeting, during casting, during filming even, pipe up and say 'is it a good idea to have a soap commercial show a black person turning white?'

No persons of color in the decision making? Not their demographic maybe, so they were excluded out of any pre-screening commercials that were run for the 'target demographic'


Dove has gone out if their way in recent years to be inclusive, diverse, body positive, etc. in their ads. Given that, I would be surprised if a variety of people are not involved in either the creation or screening of their ads.

to a fault, almost

Tad, that's a great avatar
Author:  tommy [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:46 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Regular Reader wrote:
And picked a dumb way to do it in an ad for a cleaning product


I'm gonna guess that some young person that was ignorant of the history. Some of these kids don't even know who Hitler was. "That was before my time."

Q: When did WWII end?

A: The 60s? With the hippies?
Author:  SpiralStairs [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


Gotta be Asian to White to Black.
Author:  leashyourkids [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
SpiralStairs wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


Gotta be Asian to White to Black.


He wasn't asking about your hierarchy of happy endings.
Author:  312player [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:03 pm ]
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Im so tired of these hyper sensitive pussies being offended by everything.
Author:  SpiralStairs [ Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
leashyourkids wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


Gotta be Asian to White to Black.


He wasn't asking about your hierarchy of happy endings.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Author:  SuperMario [ Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: "Controversial" Dove Ad
leashyourkids wrote:
SpiralStairs wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Nas wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
Saw that earlier and just shook my head.

People are just goofy. It's not like they were trying say that deep down, African-Americans all just want to be white.


Black America sees it as saying blacks are dirty. It didn't really register with me but it's an ad someone on the marketing team should recognize will be controversial. Kinda like the ESPN draft thing.


In what sequence could Dove have featured people of different races for those who found it offensive to think it is not offensive?

White to Black to Asian?
White to Asian to Black?
Asian to White to Black?
Black to White to Asian?


Gotta be Asian to White to Black.


He wasn't asking about your hierarchy of happy endings.


Or maybe the premise of Human Centipede 4: The Dove Connection
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