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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:52 pm 
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it wont matter unless they ban use of VPN's

I dont see how they can do that, because businesses large and small rely on VPN connections... but I would have to imagine that is the end game.

As long as VPN's are legal, you can circumvent whatever deregulation happens. What sucks though, is this 'deregulation' is actually removing non-regulation in a sense. The law says right now, the internet must be universal and equal to everyone... the 'freedom' law is actually meant to allow companies to dictate what you get for what price they want.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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Ted Cruz said that net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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Ted Cruz said that net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet.


Sounds like he has a firm grasp of the situation.

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Ted Cruz said that net neutrality is Obamacare for the internet.


Then the left will love it!

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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Please don't quote infowars.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:36 pm 
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when will people realize the federal republicans are nothing more than shills for big corporations?

i know some dems are too, but we are talking like 80% of republicans and maybe 20% of dems. the difference is yuge.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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This may be the worst anti-consumer government maneuver in decades. I can't believe they are getting away with this. The internet is one of the great innovations of our time and our government, mostly Republicans, are willing to let corporations bastardize the whole thing with hilarious promises like it will result in more innovation and investment in infrastructure. I would hope that it is partially because our politicians are old and out of touch on technology to the point where it is more ignorance than it is actually working against the good of 99% of the country. Internet should be treated like a utility and public good and these type of rules that allow our internet service to be segmented and sold should be gone.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:07 pm 
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A series of tubes?

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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A series of tubes?

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That's from a long time ago .... it's hilarious.

That phrase even has it's on Wikipedia page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_of_tubes

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I didn't quote infowars, I quoted Ted Cruz.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:35 pm 
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Chus wrote:
I didn't quote infowars, I quoted Ted Cruz.

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I assume he's talking about Panther


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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:47 pm 
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I didn't quote infowars, I quoted Ted Cruz.

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I was talking to panther. But really, if you were ever tempted to quote info wars yourself, please don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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Ed Krayewski|Nov. 22, 2017 3:31 pm

When I realized it was supposed to be from Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), a prominent advocate of net neutrality, I thought maybe it was a clever hoax. But no, he tweeted that gem out yesterday.

In the upper portion of the graphic, bundled internet appears for $54.99. In the lower, post–net neutrality world, internet service is divided into specific uses one can opt in or out of. The total price is $54.96. Khanna's graphic even appears to depict an option where that price could be even lower, if you use only one streaming service or social media network.

That this is shared as an argument for net neutrality boggles the mind. Many Americans don't use the internet for video, email, gaming, and social media. They could see serious savings if internet access were sold piecemeal like this.

Regardless, the entire graphic is a fantasy. The kinds of additional consumer choices a net neutrality–free market might offer are thwarted by other government regulations and government-enforced monopolies

But we don't have to imagine what a world without "net neutrality" regulations look like. You just have to remember what 2014 was like.

The concept of net neutrality is often poorly understood. The "open internet order" promulgated by then-President Barack Obama was not based on the same principles laid out by law professor Tim Wu, who coined the term network neutrality. For Wu, it was obvious that "a total ban on network discrimination...would be counterproductive," but that's what the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) did in 2015, as Andrea O'Sullivan pointed out in Reason. It's impossible to say exactly what kind of innovations such rules are thwarting, because they're being thwarted.

"Under my proposal," commission chair Ajit Pai noted yesterday, "the FCC would simply require Internet service providers to be transparent about their practices so that consumers can buy the service plan that's best for them and entrepreneurs and other small businesses can have the technical information they need to innovate." Sounds like a good start.

http://reason.com/blog/2017/11/22/pro-n ... es-argumen

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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net neutrality > net ownitallity

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 Post subject: Re: Net Neutrality
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So I don't know any more than Brick on this one, but a few things to add here. Don, my best guess for the reason that you aren't hearing much out of the likes of Google and Amazon is this. AT&T has already partnered with Amazon, specifically their cloud provider service Amazon Web Services. AWS has grown massively. They are far and away the biggest cloud provider and all kinds of fortune 500 companies have moved their websites to run on it's infrastructure either partially or in full. As recent as the end of last year, AT&T partnered with AWS (http://fortune.com/2016/10/06/att-amazon-cloud/). I wonder if we eventually will hit a point where the providers like AT&T will use these partnerships with Amazon and Microsoft to enforce the type of packaging and restrictions being discussed as the negatives in the Net Neutrality argument. AT&T could go so far as to say, "if you don't run on AWS infrastructure, you won't be considered verified / secured and we won't serve your content." Will this happen? Who knows. I could be totally wrong, but if I'm Amazon, that approach would assure I can destroy the remaining competition in the cloud space. In turn, AT&T has a much easier and less costly way to implement packaging and restrictions. AWS could be the one that implements these features rather than AT&T. AT&T just defines the rules.

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