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I dont know much about this group. They're objective (expose media bias) seems fair enough but the way they do it seems a little insane in the ol membrane.



A woman approached The Post with dramatic — and false — tale about Roy Moore. She appears to be part of undercover sting operation.


By Shawn Boburg, Aaron C. Davis and Alice Crites

November 27 at 11:35 PM 




Post reporter confronts woman who made false accusations against Roy Moore



Reporter Stephanie McCrummen of The Washington Post, left, interviews Jaime Phillips at a Greek restaurant in Alexandria, Va., on Wednesday. (Dalton Bennett, Thomas LeGro/The Washington Post)



A woman who falsely claimed to The Washington Post that Roy Moore, the Republican U.S. Senate candidate in Alabama, impregnated her as a teenager appears to work with an organization that uses deceptive tactics to secretly record conversations in an effort to embarrass its targets.

In a series of interviews over two weeks, the woman shared a dramatic story about an alleged sexual relationship with Moore in 1992 that led to an abortion when she was 15. During the interviews, she repeatedly pressed Post reporters to give their opinions on the effects that her claims could have on Moore’s candidacy if she went public.

The Post did not publish an article based on her unsubstantiated account. When Post reporters confronted her with inconsistencies in her story and an Internet posting that raised doubts about her motivations, she insisted that she was not working with any organization that targets journalists.

But on Monday morning, Post reporters saw her walking into the New York offices of Project Veritas, an organization that targets the mainstream news media and left-leaning groups. The organization sets up undercover “stings” that involve using false cover stories and covert video recordings meant to expose what the group says is media bias.


James O’Keefe, the Project Veritas founder who was convicted of a misdemeanor in 2010 for using a fake identity to enter a federal building during a previous sting, declined to answer questions about the woman outside the organization’s offices on Monday morning shortly after the woman walked inside.

“I am not doing an interview right now, so I’m not going to say a word,” O’Keefe said.




James O’Keefe, the founder of Project Veritas, declined to answer questions from The Post. (Aaron Davis/The Washington Post)



In a follow-up interview, O’Keefe declined to answer repeated questions about whether the woman was employed at Project Veritas. He also did not respond when asked if he was working with Moore, former White House adviser and Moore supporter Stephen K. Bannon, or Republican strategists.

The group’s efforts illustrate the lengths to which activists have gone to try to discredit media outlets for reporting on allegations from multiple women that Moore pursued them when they were teenagers and he was in his early 30s. Moore has denied that he did anything improper.

A spokesman for Moore’s campaign did not respond to a message seeking comment.


The woman who approached Post reporters, Jaime T. Phillips, did not respond to calls to her cellphone later Monday. Her car remained in the Project Veritas parking lot for more than an hour.

The Post positioned video reporters outside the group’s office in Mamaroneck, N.Y, after determining that Phillips lives in Stamford, Conn., and realizing that the two locations were just 16 miles apart. Two reporters followed her from her home as she drove to the office.

After Phillips was observed entering the Project Veritas office, The Post made the unusual decision to report her previous off-the-record comments.

“We always honor ‘off-the-record’ agreements when they’re entered into in good faith,” said Martin Baron, The Post’s executive editor. “But this so-called off-the-record conversation was the essence of a scheme to deceive and embarrass us. The intent by Project Veritas clearly was to publicize the conversation if we fell for the trap. Because of our customary journalistic rigor, we weren’t fooled, and we can’t honor an ‘off-the-record’ agreement that was solicited in maliciously bad faith.”


Phillips’s arrival at the Project Veritas office capped a weeks-long effort that began only hours after The Post published an article on Nov. 9 that included allegations that Moore once initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old named Leigh Corfman.

Post reporter Beth Reinhard, who co-wrote the article about Corfman, received a cryptic email early the next morning.

“Roy Moore in Alabama . . . I might know something but I need to keep myself safe. How do we do this?” the apparent tipster wrote under an account with the name “Lindsay James.”

The email’s subject line was “Roy Moore in AL.” The sender’s email address included “rolltide,” the rallying cry of the University of Alabama’s sports teams, which are nicknamed the Crimson Tide.

Reinhard sent an email asking if the person was willing to talk off the record.

“Not sure if I trust the phone,” came the reply. “Can we just stick to email?”

“I need to be confident that you can protect me before I will tell all,” the person wrote in a subsequent email. “I have stuff I’ve been hiding for a long time but maybe it should stay that way.”


The tipster’s email came amid counterattacks by Moore supporters aimed at The Post and its reporters.

That same day, Gateway Pundit, a conservative site, spread a false story from a Twitter account, @umpire43, that said, “A family friend in Alabama just told my wife that a WAPO reporter named Beth offer her 1000$ to accuse Roy Moore.” The Twitter account, which has a history of spreading misinformation, has since been deleted.

The Post, like many other news organizations, has a strict policy against paying people for information and did not do so in its coverage of Moore.

On Nov. 14, a pastor in Alabama said he received a voice mail from a man falsely claiming to be a Post reporter and seeking women “willing to make damaging remarks” about Moore for money. No one associated with The Post made any such call.

In the days that followed the purported tipster’s initial emails, Reinhard communicated with the woman through an encrypted text messaging service and spoke by phone with the person to set up a meeting. When the woman suggested a meeting in New York, Reinhard told her she would have to know more about her story and her background. The woman offered that her real name was Jaime Phillips.

Phillips said she lived in New York but would be in the Washington area during Thanksgiving week and suggested meeting Tuesday at a shopping mall in Tysons Corner, Va. “I’m planning to do some shopping there so I’ll find a good place to meet before you get there,” Phillips wrote in a message sent via Signal, the encrypted messaging service.

When Reinhard suggested bringing another reporter, Phillips wrote, “I’m not really comfortable with anyone else being there this time.”

Reinhard arrived to find Phillips, wearing a brown leather jacket and with long red hair, already seated in a booth in the restaurant.

The 41-year-old said she had been abused as a child, Reinhard said. Her family had moved often. She said she moved in with an aunt in the Talladega area of Alabama and started attending a church youth group when she met Moore in 1992, the year he became a county judge. She said she was 15. She said they started a “secret” sexual relationship.

“I knew it wasn’t right, but I didn’t care,” she said.

She said that she got pregnant, that Moore talked her into an abortion and that he drove her to Mississippi to get it.

In the interview, she told Reinhard that she was so upset she couldn’t finish her salad.

Phillips said she had started thinking about coming forward after the allegations about Hollywood film producer Harvey Weinstein surfaced. Then she said she saw the news about Moore flashing across the television screen while in a break room at her job at a company called NFM Lending in Westchester County, N.Y., Reinhard said.

Phillips also repeatedly asked the reporter to guarantee her that Moore would lose the election if she came forward. Reinhard told her in a subsequent text message that she could not predict what the impact would be. Reinhard said she also explained to Phillips that her claims would have to be fact-checked. Additionally, Reinhard asked her for documents that would corroborate or support her story.

Later that day, Phillips told Reinhard that she felt “anxiety & negative energy after our meeting,” text messages show. “You just didn’t convince me that I should come forward,” she wrote.

Reinhard replied, “I’m so sorry but I want to be straight with you about the fact-checking process and the fact that we can’t guarantee what will happen as a result of another story.”

Phillips was not satisfied. On Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving, she suggested meeting with another Post reporter, Stephanie McCrummen, who co-wrote the initial article about Corfman. “I’d rather go to another paper than talk to you again,” Phillips told Reinhard.

Back at the newsroom, Reinhard became concerned about elements of Phillips’s story. Phillips had said she lived in Alabama only for a summer while a teenager, but the cellphone number Phillips provided had an Alabama area code. Reinhard called NFM Lending in Westchester County, but the company said a person named Jaime Phillips did not work there.

Alice Crites, a Post researcher who was looking into Phillips’s background, found a document that strongly reinforced the reporters’ suspicions: a Web page for a fundraising campaign by someone with the same name. It was on the website GoFundMe.com under the name Jaime Phillips.


The GoFundMe fundraising page. (Internet Archive)

“I’m moving to New York!” the May 29 appeal said. “I’ve accepted a job to work in the conservative media movement to combat the lies and deceipt of the liberal MSM. I’ll be using my skills as a researcher and fact-checker to help our movement. I was laid off from my mortgage job a few months ago and came across the opportunity to change my career path.”

In a March posting on its Facebook page, Project Veritas said it was seeking 12 new “undercover reporters,” though the organization’s operatives use methods that are eschewed by mainstream journalists, such as misrepresenting themselves.

A posting for the “journalist” job on the Project Veritas website that month warned that the job “is not a role for the faint of heart.”

The job’s listed goal: “To adopt an alias persona, gain access to an identified person of interest and persuade that person to reveal information.”

It also listed tasks that the job applicant should be able to master, including: “Learning a script,” “Preparing a background story to support your role,” “Gaining an appointment or access to the target of the investigation,” and “Operating concealed recording equipment.”

Project Veritas, founded in 2010, is a tax-exempt charity that says its mission is to “investigate and expose corruption, dishonesty, self-dealing, waste, fraud and other misconduct.” It raised $4.8 million and employed 38 people in 2016, according to its public tax filing. It also had 92 volunteers.

O’Keefe’s criminal record has caused the charity problems in some states. Mississippi and Utah stripped the group of a license to raise money in those states because it failed to disclose O’Keefe’s conviction on state applications, records show.

Also working at Veritas is former television producer Robert J. Halderman, who was sentenced to six months in jail in 2010 after he was accused of trying to blackmail late-night host David Letterman. Halderman was with O’Keefe outside the Project Veritas offices Monday as a reporter tried to ask about Phillips’s role with the organization.

Because Jaime Phillips is a relatively common name, it wasn’t a certainty that the GoFundMe page that Crites found was created by the same woman who approached The Post. But there was another telling detail, in addition to the name. One of two donations listed on the page was from a person whose name matched her daughter’s, according to public records.

McCrummen agreed to meet Phillips that afternoon.

Phillips suggested meeting somewhere in Alexandria, Va., saying she was shopping in the area. Post video reporters accompanied McCrummen, who brought a printout of the fundraising page to the interview.

Again, Phillips had arrived early and was waiting for McCrummen, her purse resting on the table. When McCrummen put her purse near Phillips’s purse to block a possible camera, Phillips moved hers.

The Post video reporters sat separately, unnoticed, at an adjacent table.

Phillips said she didn’t want to get into the details of what she had said happened between her and Moore.

She said she wanted McCrummen to assure her that the article would result in Moore’s defeat, according to a recording. McCrummen instead asked her about her story regarding Moore.

Phillips complained that President Trump had endorsed Moore.

“So my whole thing is, like, I want him to be completely taken out of the race,” she said. “And I really expected that was going to happen, and now it’s not. So, I don’t know what you think about that.”

McCrummen asked Phillips to verify her identity with a photo identification. Phillips provided a Georgia driver’s license.

McCrummen then asked her about the GoFundMe page.

“We have a process of doing background, checking backgrounds and this kind of thing, so I wanted to ask you about one thing,” McCrummen said, pulling out a copy of the page and reading from it. “So I just wanted to ask you if you could explain this, and I also wanted to let you know, Jaime, that this is being recorded and video recorded.”

“Okay,” Phillips said. “Um, yeah, I was looking to take a job last summer in New York, but it fell through,” Phillips said. “Yeah, it was going to be with the Daily Caller, but it ended up falling through, so I wasn’t able to do it.”

When asked who at the Daily Caller interviewed her, Phillips said, “Kathy,” pausing before adding the last name, “Johnson.”

Paul Conner, executive editor of the Daily Caller, said Monday that no one with the name Kathy Johnson works for the publication and that he has no record of having personally interviewed Phillips. Conner later said in an email that he had asked other top editors at the Daily Caller and the affiliated Daily Caller News Foundation about Phillips.

“None of us has interviewed a woman by the name Jaime Phillips,” Conner wrote.

At the Alexandria restaurant on Wednesday, Phillips also told The Post that she had not been in contact with the Moore campaign. As the interview ended, Phillips told McCrummen she was not recording the conversation.

“I think I probably just want to cancel and not go through with it at this point,” Phillips said at Souvlaki Bar shortly before ending the interview.

“I’m not going to answer any more questions,” she said. “I think I’m just going to go.”

She picked up her coat and bag, returned her drink to the front counter and left the restaurant.

By 7 p.m. the message on the GoFundMe page was gone, replaced by a new one.

“Campaign is complete and no longer active,” it read.


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It's not the Washington Post that's the problem, it's the arrogant shitlibs working there that need to be destroyed. Veritas missed the mark. They should be harrassing journalists in their personal loves not going after the company they work for.


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Have we reached the point where the first thing that we as a nation check for is bias with respect to news? I think that MANY are more concerned with detecting bias than they are with uncovering the truth.

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It's not the Washington Post that's the problem, it's the arrogant shitlibs working there that need to be destroyed. Veritas missed the mark. They should be harrassing journalists in their personal loves not going after the company they work for.

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Have we reached the point where the first thing that we as a nation check for is bias with respect to news? I think that MANY are more concerned with detecting bias than they are with uncovering the truth.

Especially the Israelis .

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It's not the Washington Post that's the problem, it's the arrogant shitlibs working there that need to be destroyed. Veritas missed the mark. They should be harrassing journalists in their personal loves not going after the company they work for.


I think they have an obligation to report to the world when one of their stings uncovers journalistic integrity. If they reported the bad and good they could be seen as an unbiased watchdog.

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I dont know much about this group. They're objective (expose media bias) seems fair enough but the way they do it seems a little insane in the ol membrane.



They just destroyed all their credibility. It calls into question everything they've ever done. When I point this type of shit out with regard to the anti-Trump media, I'm immediately called a "Trumpet". But here I am pointing it out in this case with a right wing organization. This stuff shouldn't be partisan.

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Have we reached the point where the first thing that we as a nation check for is bias with respect to news? I think that MANY are more concerned with detecting bias than they are with uncovering the truth.


:lol: Don't you think bias might be an obstacle to getting the truth?

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I dont know much about this group. They're objective (expose media bias) seems fair enough but the way they do it seems a little insane in the ol membrane.



They just destroyed all their credibility. It calls into question everything they've ever done. When I point this type of shit out with regard to the anti-Trump media, I'm immediately called a "Trumpet". But here I am pointing it out in this case with a right wing organization. This stuff shouldn't be partisan.

Yeah, but shitlibs...

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Have we reached the point where the first thing that we as a nation check for is bias with respect to news? I think that MANY are more concerned with detecting bias than they are with uncovering the truth.


:lol: Don't you think bias might be an obstacle to getting the truth?

Bingo, if you read a piece of news, regardless of the source, and you aren't looking to see the bias of the author, then you have failed in media literacy.

I'd say most Americans, right and left fail to do this. As a result, half of this country takes Sean Hannity as gospel while the other half does the same with Maddow. Both are biased pieces of human excrement.

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General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.

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I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. This partisan organization that fabricates stories and attempts to entrap reporters is just about as bad as the mainstream media. I'm glad we have people here with the courage to stand up to both sides.


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General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

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I dont know much about this group. They're objective (expose media bias) seems fair enough but the way they do it seems a little insane in the ol membrane.



They just destroyed all their credibility. It calls into question everything they've ever done. When I point this type of shit out with regard to the anti-Trump media, I'm immediately called a "Trumpet". But here I am pointing it out in this case with a right wing organization. This stuff shouldn't be partisan.

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Have we reached the point where the first thing that we as a nation check for is bias with respect to news? I think that MANY are more concerned with detecting bias than they are with uncovering the truth.


:lol: Don't you think bias might be an obstacle to getting the truth?

Bingo, if you read a piece of news, regardless of the source, and you aren't looking to see the bias of the author, then you have failed in media literacy.

I'd say most Americans, right and left fail to do this. As a result, half of this country takes Sean Hannity as gospel while the other half does the same with Maddow. Both are biased pieces of human excrement.



Too often that is all people look for these days. If MSNBC reports something about Trump then the knee jerk reaction becomes "its MSNBC they don't like Trump". Conversely the same thing happens when Fox News reports something. I get that there is bias. There are also legitimate news stories that are often overlooked are minimized simply because of who happens to be reporting it. I'm sure in the eight years that he was President MSNBC sat on stories that reflected bad on Obama. Fox did the same thing for Bush and now they are doing it for Trump. If you don't get it from the "other side" then often you're not going to get it at all.

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I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. This partisan organization that fabricates stories and attempts to entrap reporters is just about as bad as the mainstream media. I'm glad we have people here with the courage to stand up to both sides.


:lol: Do you really not recognize how absurdly biased you are yourself? And are you suggesting that CNN and MSNBC and Facebook and Youtube and Twitter aren't partisan organizations?

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ZephMarshack wrote:
I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. This partisan organization that fabricates stories and attempts to entrap reporters is just about as bad as the mainstream media. I'm glad we have people here with the courage to stand up to both sides.


:lol: Do you really not recognize how absurdly biased you are yourself? And are you suggesting that CNN and MSNBC and Facebook and Youtube and Twitter aren't partisan organizations?

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

Was being the keyword. He lost that title recently.


Ill have to check out New York. I cant imagine anything being FAR more biased than FoxNews but we'll see.


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Too often that is all people look for these days. If MSNBC reports something about Trump then the knee jerk reaction becomes "its MSNBC they don't like Trump". Conversely the same thing happens when Fox News reports something. I get that there is bias. There are also legitimate news stories that are often overlooked are minimized simply because of who happens to be reporting it.


But whose fault is that?

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ZephMarshack wrote:
I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. This partisan organization that fabricates stories and attempts to entrap reporters is just about as bad as the mainstream media. I'm glad we have people here with the courage to stand up to both sides.


:lol: Do you really not recognize how absurdly biased you are yourself? And are you suggesting that CNN and MSNBC and Facebook and Youtube and Twitter aren't partisan organizations?

I've never denied bias exists everywhere but that isn't close to sufficient to justify your tired "both sides do it!" shtick and continuous false equivalences.


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General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

Was being the keyword. He lost that title recently.



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General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

Experience ≠ preparedness. This is the best example you can come up with for an editorial magazine being "far more biased" than a news outlet?


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

Was being the keyword. He lost that title recently.


Ill have to check out New York. I cant imagine anything being FAR more biased than FoxNews but we'll see.

nah, there are some sites on the left far more biased than Fox News. Salon, Mother Jones, etc.

As for Fox News, there really are 2 Fox News's to look at. There is the Fox News which actually handles news. That would be Chris Wallace, Bret Baier, and Shepherd Smith. Heck, if you gave those 3 guys primetime shows in a network, it would be the best news on cable TV. They are pretty straight down the middle and actually would represent relatively unbiased news reporting. Their equivalent on CNN would be Jake Tapper. Then there is Fox's morning show and primetime trash which is Breitbart lite. Avoid that shit like the plague.

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I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. This partisan organization that fabricates stories and attempts to entrap reporters is just about as bad as the mainstream media. I'm glad we have people here with the courage to stand up to both sides.


:lol: Do you really not recognize how absurdly biased you are yourself? And are you suggesting that CNN and MSNBC and Facebook and Youtube and Twitter aren't partisan organizations?

I've never denied bias exists everywhere but that isn't close to sufficient to justify your tired "both sides do it!" shtick and continuous false equivalences.



The false equivalence is that Project Veritas is some marginal organization and millions of people actually get their news from John Oliver.

And of course there is bias everywhere, but you're an obvious advocate for a point of view. You don't really want to have a discussion. You come off as if you're Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

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ZephMarshack wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
General rule of thumb, but when examining stories, look at both a slightly left and a slightly right source to get the full truth. A good example would be to say that you should read both the NYT and WSJ if you are looking into a story as where those 2 intersect in their pieces covering a news story will be the truth.


I read New York magazine every month. Of course it wears its bias on its sleeve. I mean, New York is far more biased than Fox News. Here's a funny one: in a piece about the "rehabilitation" of the Bushes ( :lol: ) it says that "like Trump, George W. Bush came to the White House unprepared." W held executive office as the governor of Texas. The most woefully unprepared president in history was objectively Barack Obama. You'd never read that in New York though.

Experience ≠ preparedness. This is the best example you can come up with for an editorial magazine being "far more biased" than a news outlet?



That was just an example that I noticed yesterday. And now you're going to confer some nebulous concept of "preparedness" on a Democrat you like. How can that be taken seriously?

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The false equivalence is that Project Veritas is some marginal organization and millions of people actually get their news from John Oliver.

And of course there is bias everywhere, but you're an obvious advocate for a point of view. You don't really want to have a discussion. You come off as if you're Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

:lol: I hate Hillary Clinton. Good to see you now resorting to the baseless namecalling you were just playing the victim about a few posts ago.


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The false equivalence is that Project Veritas is some marginal organization and millions of people actually get their news from John Oliver.

And of course there is bias everywhere, but you're an obvious advocate for a point of view. You don't really want to have a discussion. You come off as if you're Hillary Clinton's campaign manager.

:lol: I hate Hillary Clinton. Good to see you now resorting to the baseless namecalling you were just playing the victim about a few posts ago.



Did I call you a name? I don't think so. And I'm certainly not "playing a victim". I'm pointing out obvious bias in news coverage and you don't want to hear it because it's bias you agree with.

And let's not pretend here. You certainly don't "hate" Hillary Clinton more than you hate Donald Trump or anyone else with an (R) next to his name.

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yea one side is biased for western civilization and the other is biased against it. this is hardly a case of there being two equally bad or good sides. this isn't turd sandwich vs giant douche.

if you side with the left, or whatever part of their PR machine in media or academia you choose to reference directly, you are siding against everything that has brought us to where we are now. islam, communism, anarchy...we know how these ideologies end. we know what happens to communist countries. we know what happens when there are no police. we know what happens when islam is allowed to grow. the case studies surround us in our world today and in history have almost no deviation. the outcomes are always ALWAYS bad.

i'm pretty far to the left economically and i have had to suspend that because this fight is just bigger than what you feel about eduction or taxes or foriegn policy. its an ideological struggle for what happens next to north america, europe and oceania. to sit it out and pretend its still 2005 when the parties are indistinguishable blobs is naive.


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That was just an example that I noticed yesterday. And now you're going to confer some nebulous concept of "preparedness" on a Democrat you like. How can that be taken seriously?

Preparedness isn't a nebulous concept, but it sure seems like you want to treat it as such just so you can scream bias from the rooftops.. The most experienced politician in the world can still be unprepared for an actual transition to power if they have a disorganized team. Hell look at Hillary's campaign itself for the most glaring illustration of the gulf between experience as defined by number of years in power and actually being organized and prepared.


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