Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Be critical of this if you want. Should we let Israels neighbors destroy them over it?
Really, here's the way I see it. People will always say it's not anti-Semitism, yet there are hundreds of bad state actors in the world and they aren't regularly getting threads created complaining about their behavior.
And look, I'm not Jewish. I've been guilty of stereotyping too. There are pretty much two kinds of people in the world. Jews and anti-Semites. But we should be intelligent enough to recognize something for the bullshit it is.
You look at the way Jordan, Lebanon and modern Syria were created, carved out of the Ottoman Empire from League of Nations mandates in the wake of WWI. Yet nobody ever questions their right to exist. Why do you think that is? What is it that is different about Israel? Hmmm. What could it be?
312players post is a good example. If Canada were doing this exact thing it's basically "This is bad" but with Israel the point is much more amplified.
However I don't think any country should be required or expected to take on refugees. It would be nice if they could but it has to make sense for the country. It's not a shock that a country as small as Israel that will shrink at some point who literally has to negotiate with neighbors for the right to exist to have their own reasons.
Maybe France can step up and take them.
Yeah, and while I've been a vociferous defender of Israel, obviously something has to be done or Israel will
become an apartheid state. It will be very difficult for a state based upon religion to remain democratic.
One problem is the concept of a "two-state solution" is phony. From the perspective of the Arabs (and Iran) a two-state solution is merely a pit stop on the way to the complete elimination of Israel or a club with which to beat Israel over the head like the very concept of "Palestinians" itself.
But the larger issue is that Jews have been hounded out of every country where they've ever lived, forced to live as second class citizens, and then of course, the ultimate attempt at a "solution", Shoah.
At this point, the lunatic right aside, Jewish identity isn't really about religion. I think we can scoff at the idea that land was deeded to certain people by God while at the same time recognizing that nobody has ever really accepted those people as fellow citizens and that they should be able to live without constant threat of being wiped off the face of the earth.
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