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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

1. Yes, actually. That is the routine justification for punishing motive in this particular instance: Someone who steals bread because they're hungry will be satisfied, but someone who does so because of the shopkeeper's religion is likely to do it again. Hell, "badges and incidents [of slavery]" is the phrase still referenced by courts that uphold challenges to hate crime laws—enhanced punishments for "hate crimes" are alright because those crimes might still be tied to the institution of slavery.

No it isn't. The justification is that it is meant to inflict fear among a group of people rather than just an individual person, just like the difference between terrorism and murder..

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

America wrote:

Less than 24 hours and we're already calling the dead cop an asshole. Did I not fucking call this?

Before anyone wets their pants over this, let me translate:

"Within 24 hours there was a nearly immediate reaction by some in this thread to discredit reports that the murdered cop was a 'good one'."

And yes, in response to a post about multiple interviews from people that knew the cop and how he conducted himself and his unit, immediately replying with "well, if he was an asshole, it's not like they're going to put that on the news the day he gets killed" is unquestionably attempting to discredit that reporting. It's shameful, you who have done it should be ashamed.

This is pretty dumb and wrong but at least you also acknowledge America is incapable of expressing himself properly. Very sad that a grown man needs a translator on a message board.

FavreFan wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

America wrote:

Less than 24 hours and we're already calling the dead cop an asshole. Did I not fucking call this?

This is pretty dumb and wrong but at least you also acknowledge America is incapable of expressing himself properly. Very sad that a grown man needs a translator on a message board.

No, I'm right, your sad attempts at deflecting are just that.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:

No it isn't. The justification is that it is meant to inflict fear among a group of people rather than just an individual person, just like the difference between terrorism and murder..

Are you saying "badges and incidents" is not still cited by courts upholding hate crime laws? :lol:

America wrote:

Look I can't know every one of the guys 5000 or so posts, and I have an immense dislike for him, but he's not a bad person. I don't think anyone on this site really is.

So, now that you know that Steve proudly, and likely against the law if someone were to report him, proudly and openly refuses to hire black people to paint for him, does it change your opinion on him?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

America wrote:

Look I can't know every one of the guys 5000 or so posts, and I have an immense dislike for him, but he's not a bad person. I don't think anyone on this site really is.

My opinion of him is extremely low already. But you're not gonna get me to say every person who has a racist thought, which is literally everyone, is bad. I think if you were a police officer in the Chicagoland area and confronted with the stark reality of who is committing the vast majority of violent crime here you'd have some taboo thoughts also.

I have no idea where he was a police officer, but I do know that since those towers started coming down the city problems have spread to most of the entire metro area. Elmhurst isn't Kennilworth.

It is a certainty that Steve worked with black police officers at some point in his career. I bet he doesn't hate them. Again, I haven't seen the world through his eyes. I don't think I could actually hate all black people even if I was confronted daily with the carnage they inflict on Chicago. I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone who did. But provided they don't actually act on it, and whatever hiring some fucking yokel to paint your house is hardly some "they're keeping us down" moment, I really don't think you can say they are inherently evil.

What about those pedos who abstain from child porn and kid fucking? I mean they are clearly fucked in the head but there's a core belief in right vs wrong that grounds them to our broader morality.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He proudly and openly proclaimed that he wouldn't hire black people to work for him as a painter.

I wouldn't be quick to hire black painters either after the debut of those Obama portraits

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

Kirkwood wrote:

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

Well I could argue that whoever poisons underage kid's minds should be charged with a crime, that part of the quote was in reference to the 8 year old drag queen kid. Everyone wants to laugh at the "gay agenda" until it lands at their doorstep.

America wrote:

Last time. He's a proud racist! Literally. All you are doing here is defending a proud racist and saying "Well, if I was a cop, I can see someone being a proud racist" while also getting upset that I thought that 1% of cops may be bad people.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He proudly and openly proclaimed that he wouldn't hire black people to work for him as a painter.

I wouldn't be quick to hire black painters either after the debut of those Obama portraits

Dude was killed wen the guy did the kill shot by standing over him and delivering the shot to the head point blank

Kirkwood wrote:

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

You wouldn't call 911 if your child was desperately trying to castrate himself?

America wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

ToxicMasculinity wrote:

These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

why would i need a cop to respond to that?

You wouldn't call 911 if your child was desperately trying to castrate himself?

if my child came home telling me he wants to castrate himself i would sit down and talk with him..

I'd have no problem calling the cops if I needed them. However, I would hope very much so that they wouldn't wrongfully kill me, and if they did, then I would want them to face punishment for doing so.

My guess is that you guys would too.

Everyone wants to shit on cops until they hear a window break at night.

Brick, I'll suggest the same to you as I would to Elmhurst Steve. You need to meet some police officers and see that they're normal people. I don't know how, but you really should. Steve needs a black friend too. Maybe you guys can go out on a double date.

America wrote:

Why? I think most cops are good people. I've never personally had a bad experience with any of them.

I still think if they wrongfully kill someone they should be held accountable.

Author:	conns7901 [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:03 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
How has Ogie not taken a victory lap yet over a cop being killed?

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:07 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: 1. Yes, actually. That is the routine justification for punishing motive in this particular instance: Someone who steals bread because they're hungry will be satisfied, but someone who does so because of the shopkeeper's religion is likely to do it again. Hell, "badges and incidents [of slavery]" is the phrase still referenced by courts that uphold challenges to hate crime laws—enhanced punishments for "hate crimes" are alright because those crimes might still be tied to the institution of slavery. No it isn't. The justification is that it is meant to inflict fear among a group of people rather than just an individual person, just like the difference between terrorism and murder.. Are you saying "badges and incidents" is not still cited by courts upholding hate crime laws?

Author:	Juice's Lecture Notes [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
FavreFan wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: America wrote: Less than 24 hours and we're already calling the dead cop an asshole. Did I not fucking call this? Before anyone wets their pants over this, let me translate: "Within 24 hours there was a nearly immediate reaction by some in this thread to discredit reports that the murdered cop was a 'good one'." And yes, in response to a post about multiple interviews from people that knew the cop and how he conducted himself and his unit, immediately replying with "well, if he was an asshole, it's not like they're going to put that on the news the day he gets killed" is unquestionably attempting to discredit that reporting. It's shameful, you who have done it should be ashamed. This is pretty dumb and wrong but at least you also acknowledge America is incapable of expressing himself properly. Very sad that a grown man needs a translator on a message board. No, I'm right, your sad attempts at deflecting are just that.

Author:	FavreFan [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: FavreFan wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: America wrote: Less than 24 hours and we're already calling the dead cop an asshole. Did I not fucking call this? Before anyone wets their pants over this, let me translate: "Within 24 hours there was a nearly immediate reaction by some in this thread to discredit reports that the murdered cop was a 'good one'." And yes, in response to a post about multiple interviews from people that knew the cop and how he conducted himself and his unit, immediately replying with "well, if he was an asshole, it's not like they're going to put that on the news the day he gets killed" is unquestionably attempting to discredit that reporting. It's shameful, you who have done it should be ashamed. This is pretty dumb and wrong but at least you also acknowledge America is incapable of expressing himself properly. Very sad that a grown man needs a translator on a message board. No, I'm right, your sad attempts at deflecting are just that. Wrong again friend.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Juice's Lecture Notes wrote: 1. Yes, actually. That is the routine justification for punishing motive in this particular instance: Someone who steals bread because they're hungry will be satisfied, but someone who does so because of the shopkeeper's religion is likely to do it again. Hell, "badges and incidents [of slavery]" is the phrase still referenced by courts that uphold challenges to hate crime laws—enhanced punishments for "hate crimes" are alright because those crimes might still be tied to the institution of slavery. No it isn't. The justification is that it is meant to inflict fear among a group of people rather than just an individual person, just like the difference between terrorism and murder.. Are you saying "badges and incidents" is not still cited by courts upholding hate crime laws? I have no idea. I know the major reason why hate crime laws exist is the same reason we have terrorism laws which is the effect of both on the population. I'm not a fan of hate crime laws either but I don't think it's punishing future actions when it's much more obvious that it is punishing more severely an attack designed to put fear in a certain group that they are being targeted.

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Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Boilermaker Rick wrote: America wrote: Look I can't know every one of the guys 5000 or so posts, and I have an immense dislike for him, but he's not a bad person. I don't think anyone on this site really is. So, now that you know that Steve proudly, and likely against the law if someone were to report him, proudly and openly refuses to hire black people to paint for him, does it change your opinion on him? My opinion of him is extremely low already. But you're not gonna get me to say every person who has a racist thought, which is literally everyone, is bad. I think if you were a police officer in the Chicagoland area and confronted with the stark reality of who is committing the vast majority of violent crime here you'd have some taboo thoughts also.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
America wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: America wrote: Look I can't know every one of the guys 5000 or so posts, and I have an immense dislike for him, but he's not a bad person. I don't think anyone on this site really is. So, now that you know that Steve proudly, and likely against the law if someone were to report him, proudly and openly refuses to hire black people to paint for him, does it change your opinion on him? My opinion of him is extremely low already. But you're not gonna get me to say every person who has a racist thought, which is literally everyone, is bad. I think if you were a police officer in the Chicagoland area and confronted with the stark reality of who is committing the vast majority of violent crime here you'd have some taboo thoughts also. Wasn't he an Elmhurst cop? Most days are spent pulling over people for speeding and busting kids for shoplifting from Kohl's. But still, if you retire from being a cop and choose to still be a proud racist, and so stupidly proud that you literally could have had problems from the state for your comments on here, then you are a bad person.

Author:	ToxicMasculinity [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
This thread is just like the one about 8 year old drag queeens America. You're going to have a bunch of willfully ignorant liberals who will cling to snark rather than face uncomfortable truths. These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off.

Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
I have no idea where he was a police officer, but I do know that since those towers started coming down the city problems have spread to most of the entire metro area. Elmhurst isn't Kennilworth. It is a certainty that Steve worked with black police officers at some point in his career. I bet he doesn't hate them. Again, I haven't seen the world through his eyes. I don't think I could actually hate all black people even if I was confronted daily with the carnage they inflict on Chicago. I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone who did. But provided they don't actually act on it, and whatever hiring some fucking yokel to paint your house is hardly some "they're keeping us down" moment, I really don't think you can say they are inherently evil. What about those pedos who abstain from child porn and kid fucking? I mean they are clearly fucked in the head but there's a core belief in right vs wrong that grounds them to our broader morality.

Author:	Hatchetman [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
I think he was a Maywood cop if you can believe anything the guy ever said.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
America wrote: I have no idea where he was a police officer, but I do know that since those towers started coming down the city problems have spread to most of the entire metro area. Elmhurst isn't Kennilworth. It is a certainty that Steve worked with black police officers at some point in his career. I bet he doesn't hate them. Again, I haven't seen the world through his eyes. I don't think I could actually hate all black people even if I was confronted daily with the carnage they inflict on Chicago. I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone who did. But provided they don't actually act on it, and whatever hiring some fucking yokel to paint your house is hardly some "they're keeping us down" moment, I really don't think you can say they are inherently evil. What about those pedos who abstain from child porn and kid fucking? I mean they are clearly fucked in the head but there's a core belief in right vs wrong that grounds them to our broader morality. Last time. He's a proud racist! Literally. All you are doing here is defending a proud racist and saying "Well, if I was a cop, I can see someone being a proud racist" while also getting upset that I thought that 1% of cops may be bad people.

Author:	SuperMario [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm ]
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ToxicMasculinity wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He proudly and openly proclaimed that he wouldn't hire black people to work for him as a painter. I wouldn't be quick to hire black painters either after the debut of those Obama portraits

Author:	Kirkwood [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that?

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:34 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote: ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that? The Penal Code says you have to call the authorities.

Author:	sinicalypse [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:44 pm ]
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ToxicMasculinity wrote: Everyone wants to shit on cops until they hear a window break at night. dude what kind of sloppy ass criminals do you have breaking into your house? i wake up and find things changed or i take a shower and the mirror fogs up and there's handprints on my mirror and shit and like, even tho i left a nice icepick right by the front door for a week (cuz go figure all the sharp/er knives mysteriously disappeared from my house along with my suboxone and stuff) nobody would fucking take the bait? plus if i called the cops they'd just make a goofy face/quote fist bump me and leave. nobody cared when a "friend" took a picture of him pointing a loaded gun to my head, so why would they care about the window being broke at my house other than WINDOWS COST A LOT OF MONEY WHY DID YOU BREAK IT ASSHOLE!?!?!??#'LZCJBLVzhxcvOASNC

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Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:35 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote: ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that? You wouldn't call 911 if your child was desperately trying to castrate himself?

Author:	Kirkwood [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
ToxicMasculinity wrote: Kirkwood wrote: ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that? Well I could argue that whoever poisons underage kid's minds should be charged with a crime, that part of the quote was in reference to the 8 year old drag queen kid. Everyone wants to laugh at the "gay agenda" until it lands at their doorstep. why would anyone laugh at their child if he/she is gay?

Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Boilermaker Rick wrote: America wrote: I have no idea where he was a police officer, but I do know that since those towers started coming down the city problems have spread to most of the entire metro area. Elmhurst isn't Kennilworth. It is a certainty that Steve worked with black police officers at some point in his career. I bet he doesn't hate them. Again, I haven't seen the world through his eyes. I don't think I could actually hate all black people even if I was confronted daily with the carnage they inflict on Chicago. I don't think I'd want to be friends with someone who did. But provided they don't actually act on it, and whatever hiring some fucking yokel to paint your house is hardly some "they're keeping us down" moment, I really don't think you can say they are inherently evil. What about those pedos who abstain from child porn and kid fucking? I mean they are clearly fucked in the head but there's a core belief in right vs wrong that grounds them to our broader morality. Last time. He's a proud racist! Literally. All you are doing here is defending a proud racist and saying "Well, if I was a cop, I can see someone being a proud racist" while also getting upset that I thought that 1% of cops may be bad people. Yup that's pretty much what I'm doing.

Author:	man of few opinions [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
ToxicMasculinity wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: He proudly and openly proclaimed that he wouldn't hire black people to work for him as a painter. I wouldn't be quick to hire black painters either after the debut of those Obama portraits

Author:	badrogue17 [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:36 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
chaspoppcap wrote: Dude was killed wen the guy did the kill shot by standing over him and delivering the shot to the head point blank Why didn’t he just Taze him ?

Author:	Kirkwood [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
America wrote: Kirkwood wrote: ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that? You wouldn't call 911 if your child was desperately trying to castrate himself? if my child came home telling me he wants to castrate himself i would sit down and talk with him. i believe it'd be a better method than calling the cops or laughing at him.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
I'd have no problem calling the cops if I needed them. However, I would hope very much so that they wouldn't wrongfully kill me, and if they did, then I would want them to face punishment for doing so. My guess is that you guys would too.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:39 pm ]
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Kirkwood wrote: America wrote: Kirkwood wrote: ToxicMasculinity wrote: These chickens will come home to roost when they need the cops to respond to a home break in, or their kid comes home at 9 and tells them he wants to cut his dick off. why would i need a cop to respond to that? You wouldn't call 911 if your child was desperately trying to castrate himself? if my child came home telling me he wants to castrate himself i would sit down and talk with him.. Any good TIPS for that type of conversation?

Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Boilermaker Rick wrote: I'd have no problem calling the cops if I needed them. However, I would hope very much so that they wouldn't wrongfully kill me, and if they did, then I would want them to face punishment for doing so. My guess is that you guys would too. Lmao you are out of your fucking mind if that's a legit worry of yours.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:44 pm ]
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There is NEVER a WRONG reason for shooting Brick.

Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:44 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
Brick, I'll suggest the same to you as I would to Elmhurst Steve. You need to meet some police officers and see that they're normal people. I don't know how, but you really should. Steve needs a black friend too. Maybe you guys can go out on a double date.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: CPD Officer Killed
America wrote: Brick, I'll suggest the same to you as I would to Elmhurst Steve. You need to meet some police officers and see that they're normal people. I don't know how, but you really should. Steve needs a black friend too. Maybe you guys can go out on a double date. Why? I think most cops are good people. I've never personally had a bad experience with any of them. I still think if they wrongfully kill someone they should be held accountable.

Author:	Caller Bob [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:48 pm ]
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America wrote: Brick, I'll suggest the same to you as I would to Elmhurst Steve. You need to meet some police officers and see that they're normal people. I don't know how, but you really should. Steve needs a black friend too. Maybe you guys can go out on a double date. The keyboard warrior that types his aggression from a French pastry shop is suggesting that other people get to know each other before making judgments?

Author:	America [ Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:51 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: America wrote: Brick, I'll suggest the same to you as I would to Elmhurst Steve. You need to meet some police officers and see that they're normal people. I don't know how, but you really should. Steve needs a black friend too. Maybe you guys can go out on a double date. Why? I think most cops are good people. I've never personally had a bad experience with any of them. I still think if they wrongfully kill someone they should be held accountable. It's an interesting thing to get hung up on when more cops were killed in the line of duty this week than innocent children will be maliciously gunned down by psychotic police the rest of this decade.