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By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone, and radical groups in the Middle East had turned to hijackings as a way to seize the spotlight.

and then they, you know, installed some security measures.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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How many plane hijackings do we have nowadays? Security measures can be put in place that are highly effective.

Those security measures are nothing more than security theater. TSA fails to detect 95% of weapons when tested

http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-unde ... d=31434881


I've had my hands wiped and my stuff looked through enough that I wouldn't think about bringing something on a plane. These things act as a deterrent.

I think you're getting profiled as that has never happened to me.


One time I thought I was because they did it on the way there and back.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I brought a pocket knife on a plane accidentally. It got through on the way there but they caught it on the way back. 50% success.

anecdote.

Actual studies have proven a 90+% failure rate time and time again



The guys conducting the studies are well versed on how to beat the test also. 90% is alarming but would the average guy know how to beat the test using similar methods?

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Isn't the shooter a white dude that got adopted by Cubans or something?


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long time guy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I brought a pocket knife on a plane accidentally. It got through on the way there but they caught it on the way back. 50% success.

anecdote.

Actual studies have proven a 90+% failure rate time and time again



The guys conducting the studies are well versed on how to beat the test also. 90% is alarming but would the average guy know how to beat the test too?


The average guy probably isn't the one that's going to hijack a plane though.


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OK how about this. Ever try to get into a Cubs game without a ticket? how'd that work out?

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Hatchetman wrote:
By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone, and radical groups in the Middle East had turned to hijackings as a way to seize the spotlight.

and then they, you know, installed some security measures.

How many post 1987 were in the US? Only 9/11

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KDdidit wrote:
long time guy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I brought a pocket knife on a plane accidentally. It got through on the way there but they caught it on the way back. 50% success.

anecdote.

Actual studies have proven a 90+% failure rate time and time again



The guys conducting the studies are well versed on how to beat the test also. 90% is alarming but would the average guy know how to beat the test too?


The average guy probably isn't the one that's going to hijack a plane though.

yeah, the guy who wants to hijack a plane can probably figure out the weaknesses in the system

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Isn't the shooter a white dude that got adopted by Cubans or something?

No, Dominicans.


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Isn't the shooter a white dude that got adopted by Cubans or something?

Yes, but that changes the narrative. Non minority kid with problems is adopted. Goes on shooting spree.

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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone, and radical groups in the Middle East had turned to hijackings as a way to seize the spotlight.

and then they, you know, installed some security measures.

How many post 1987 were in the US? Only 9/11


OK. when did they install metal detectors in airports?

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Hatchetman wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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By the mid-1970s, at least 150 planes had been “skyjacked” in the United States alone, and radical groups in the Middle East had turned to hijackings as a way to seize the spotlight.

and then they, you know, installed some security measures.

How many post 1987 were in the US? Only 9/11


OK. when did they install metal detectors in airports?

15 years before hijackings stopped being the norm so they weren't the reason that they stopped

I guess my larger point is that it isn't security that stopped in flight hijackings. It was other factors as the TSA (and its predecessors) are pretty fucking incompetent

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long time guy wrote:
Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
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I brought a pocket knife on a plane accidentally. It got through on the way there but they caught it on the way back. 50% success.

anecdote.

Actual studies have proven a 90+% failure rate time and time again



The guys conducting the studies are well versed on how to beat the test also. 90% is alarming but would the average guy know how to beat the test using similar methods?


You're not worried about the average guy, though, you're worried about the person who wants to be able to beat the screening so they can do something nefarious in or near the plane.


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The fact is that metal detectors were installed in 1973 after which hijackings declined precipitously. After further security measures in 2001 we have not had a single one.

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The fact is that metal detectors were installed in 1973 after which hijackings declined precipitously. After further security measures in 2001 we have not had a single one.

Given the rarity of hijackings from 1987 to 2001 (0 before 9/11) is it really additional security measures that made us safer or is it just that no one has really attempted it? I'm going with the latter.

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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.

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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.

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AP-FLORIDA: After killing 17 people, high school shooter bought a drink at Subway, went to Walmart then sat down at McDonald's before cops found him.

Worst thing to enter a Subway since Jared

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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

I think the non fatal ones still count as "shootings"

I'll give you the suicides.

So ONLY 15.


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He was a part of a "white supremist group" yet he shot a bunch of white kids. That report might not be true.


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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

I think the non fatal ones still count as "shootings"

I'll give you the suicides.

So ONLY 15.
Most of the "non fatal shootings" are things like a gunshot being fired near the campus after-hours or on a weekend. If you go through the list you'll see it's pretty much bullshit.

Heck, one of them is an accidental discharge by a cop on campus

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rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

I think the non fatal ones still count as "shootings"

I'll give you the suicides.

So ONLY 15.


Also includes after hours shootings involving parents after a basketball game and a criminal justice student who accidentally discharged a weapon they were handling as part of the class, as well as another accidental discharge of a weapon in a backpack (no indication on whether the weapons presence was nefarious).

Also a few incidents of others firing into a crowd near a school from a vehicle.


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Ogie Oglethorpe wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.

I think the non fatal ones still count as "shootings"

I'll give you the suicides.

So ONLY 15.
Most of the "non fatal shootings" are things like a gunshot being fired near the campus after-hours or on a weekend. If you go through the list you'll see it's pretty much bullshit


Yup.

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He was a part of a "white supremist group" yet he shot a bunch of white kids. That report might not be true.

The thing about a lot of these "white supremacist" teenage shitheads is that they know they have no claim to supremacy. In fact, they seem to pretty much hate themselves and their lot in life. They recognize that they don't stand to benefit from white nationalism; they'd be among the first against the wall. They just want to wreck shit because they feel left behind and hopeless. They're lost little sadists.

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.


https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/

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Nas wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Nas wrote:
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Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.


https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/


This is the very partisan Bloomber funded group we were discussing. Right off the bat I clicked on a dot on Mississippi and got this
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While sitting in his car in a campus parking lot, Blake Ballard, 22, unintentionally fired his handgun, hitting himself in the thigh. He was treated at a local hospital for non-life threatening injuries. Campus security announced that, as a concealed carry permit holder, he was entitled to carry a gun on campus and would not be charged.


Wow. We really need to go after the Blake's in the world. Take away the guns!

http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... rely-true/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... un-safety/

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ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Nas wrote:
ToxicMasculinity wrote:
Nas wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hopefully school shooters get lazy too.


There have been 240 since Sandy Hook. I doubt it will happen.


Citation needed.

This sounds like the "18 this year" factoid being thrown around. That number comes from a Bloomberg campaign and includes 10 non-fatal shootings and 3 suicides.


https://everytownresearch.org/school-shootings/


This is the very partisan Bloomber funded group we were discussing. Right off the bat I clicked on a dot on Mississippi and got this
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While sitting in his car in a campus parking lot, Blake Ballard, 22, unintentionally fired his handgun, hitting himself in the thigh. He was treated at a local hospital for non-life threatening injuries. Campus security announced that, as a concealed carry permit holder, he was entitled to carry a gun on campus and would not be charged.


Wow. We really need to go after the Blake's in the world. Take away the guns!

http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... rely-true/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities ... un-safety/

Do better Nas.


He was at a school, right? You can go through the list and narrow them down if you like. If it's 150 that you find legitimate that's still too many in 4 years. Let's not get distracted.

Also keep in mind they don't count things like this.

Clearly it is difficult to draw lines. The Everytown list did not include the recent and highly publicized shooting spree in Isla Vista, Calif. In that case, the shooter was a student at the University of California at Santa Barbara, and he targeted other students, including women living in a sorority house near the campus. Seven people died, but the shooting wasn’t technically on campus, so it didn’t make the list.

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