I think you are being dishonest and a little hyperbolic. You once again focus on the extreme views of the very far left but ignore the very extreme views of the very far right. Those groups cancel on another out.

I assume that MANY here consider me to be liberal and maybe even far to the left. I don't want to disarm the population. If not for being a single father of 3 small kids I probably would still be a gun owner. Seeing the increase in these school shootings requires some action IMO. That's what we want. Guns aren't the problem. That's why MANY of us want to restrict some tools/ access for some members of society and require some form of education and training for new/all gun owners. That's far different from melting guns like gold.

The problem is the attitude of the anti-gun people. You can't turn on a TV without being lectured by basically every TV personality about what a monster you are if you don't want to enact some sort of undefined legislation that may help a little or not at all. And most of it is nonsense.

How exactly am I being dishonest? You posted a topic cheering that town hall. You really don't see how it's a bad faith "argument" to haul out kids who were shot at a few days ago to cry and insult politicians?

Also, I don't consider you the slightest bit liberal. I often wonder why you aren't a Republican.

I think you are being dishonest about the overwhelming majority of liberals wanting to disarm the population. .

I think you are being dishonest about the overwhelming majority of liberals wanting to disarm the population.

The 2nd Amendment is written very specifically. It's designed to absolutely not be open to interpretation.

Ironic that it took a Supreme Court interpretation of it to come to the conclusion that the people are the militia.

That is the only possible way to achieve their stated goals. There are trade offs for freedom.

Prohibiting or restricting access to some citizens and the banning of some tools/weapons has happened for decades and the country has been fine. I think a more educated and trained population would be better for all of us.

The same respect a man of color might want in respect to not being equated with being a gang member selling drugs by virtue of being black because a small fraction of his community might be in gangs.

You've heard from guys like me, who are listening to recommendations and are willing to endorse reasonable recommendations for additional controls and reasonable restrictions on specific weapons and even concessions we don't believe in such as magazine size.
But I'm reading us being called names like ammosexuals and "gun nuts" with our manhood questioned. Our motivations questioned. We're being characterized as hoping for a reason to kill people.
I am well aware that there are fringes of the community that may feel these things.
But do you want to be characterized by the opinions of the fringe community? Is that fair? Has not certain communities such as say, Muslims, not wished to be characterized by the actions of a small minority of terrorists? And the liberal community would agree. Until it comes to gun owners.
We're not all crazy. We don't want to hurt anyone. Some wing factions obviously exist but that does not define the 100 million gun owners in this country.

Try to have some bit of respect in your conversations. The same respect a man of color might want in respect to not being equated with being a gang member selling drugs by virtue of being black because a small fraction of his community might be in gangs.

because you have a booger in your nose that you are not aware of and I think its funny

You've heard from guys like me, who are listening to recommendations and are willing to endorse reasonable recommendations for additional controls and reasonable restrictions on specific weapons and even concessions we don't believe in such as magazine size.
But I'm reading us being called names like ammosexuals and "gun nuts" with our manhood questioned. Our motivations questioned. We're being characterized as hoping for a reason to kill people.
I am well aware that there are fringes of the community that may feel these things.
But do you want to be characterized by the opinions of the fringe community? Is that fair? Has not certain communities such as say, Muslims, not wished to be characterized by the actions of a small minority of terrorists? And the liberal community would agree. Until it comes to gun owners.
We're not all crazy. We don't want to hurt anyone. Some wing factions obviously exist but that does not define the 100 million gun owners in this country.

Try to have some bit of respect in your conversations. The same respect a man of color might want in respect to not being equated with being a gang member selling drugs by virtue of being black because a small fraction of his community might be in gangs.

The entire conversation is dishonest. And the dishonesty is not coming from the pro-gun side.

The position on the anti-gun side is simply virtue signalling writ large. If you're not on board with "do something, do anything" regardless of whether or not it saves a single life, these people view you as a monster or even a murderer. And they won't hesitate to attack you as such. Marco Rubio was pretty much called a murderer at that town hall.

Let's be serious. The end game is to disarm the population. Of course no politician can say that. They know it's a loser. That's why they do this dance. And they attempt to ostracize people like Darkside. It's not even subtle.

This is an example of why, even though my politics are almost radically left (particularly when it comes to what I consider the core of what the Left is supposed to be about- the worker), I find mainstream liberalism so distasteful. It's based on the phony premise that "we're better than they are." That was actually articulated by Michelle Obama at the DNC and it's complete and utter bullshit.

Nas I find it particular disingenuous that the Gun folks have decided to compare their cause to the Civil rights movement.


I don't feel the plight of folks ability to buy assault weapons, unabated, is a fair comparison to the Civil Rights struggle the Black community has faced in the history of this country. Very unfortunate comment there.

Also, people aren't reacting to wing factions. They are reacting to the position of your spokesman. You may say they don't represent you but on some level gun owners either have to rebel against the NRA in some fashion, demand a change in their positions from within or wear it.

Most gun owners are fine and not gun nuts. Some enable the gun nuts like supporting the NRA after those terrible excuses they made this week but I understand they do it because they are scared of their guns being taken away while also thinking the 2nd amendment will never be repealed.

Real gun nuts like the Bundys that steal from all of us like armed robbers are terrible though.

My reading of that was "Don't assume the worst of me because of the words or actions of a minority of people in a group that I am affiliated with." I have no issue with that and in most cases would agree with it.

True, but people don't choose their race or ethnicity. You choose your political/social beliefs. And often your beliefs contradict that of someone else. I don't feel the comparison was on point.

When did that happen?

42% of American homes have a gun in it.
5 million NRA members.
They are not our spokesman.

They owe over a million to the government in grazing fees that are already artificially low.

42% of American homes have a gun in it.
5 million NRA members.
They are not our spokesman.

You've heard from guys like me, who are listening to recommendations and are willing to endorse reasonable recommendations for additional controls and reasonable restrictions on specific weapons and even concessions we don't believe in such as magazine size.
But I'm reading us being called names like ammosexuals and "gun nuts" with our manhood questioned. Our motivations questioned. We're being characterized as hoping for a reason to kill people.
I am well aware that there are fringes of the community that may feel these things.
But do you want to be characterized by the opinions of the fringe community? Is that fair? Has not certain communities such as say, Muslims, not wished to be characterized by the actions of a small minority of terrorists? And the liberal community would agree. Until it comes to gun owners.
We're not all crazy. We don't want to hurt anyone. Some wing factions obviously exist but that does not define the 100 million gun owners in this country.

Try to have some bit of respect in your conversations. The same respect a man of color might want in respect to not being equated with being a gang member selling drugs by virtue of being black because a small fraction of his community might be in gangs.

They control($$$) roughly 30%(if not more) of our elected representatives. They kinda are.

Okay, so when did they steal from me like armed robbers?

You pay taxes?