Why no full auto guns?

First step on the way to crushing the people under the jackboots of government.

Not really. Trained shooters(those who would make up our militia) would use handguns instead of automatic weapons because they greatly diminish after the 3rd round.

Maybe automatic weapons are banned because they suck?

Like I mentioned in another thread, I know you don't think the U.S. government could ever turn on its people (although you've seen it do exactly that against Randy Weaver and his family and the Branch Davidians). Or minimally you think disarming the public is a worthwhile tradeoff to make in pursuit of limiting gun violence on America's streets. I think that's something to talk about and unlike so many of the emotional screeds currently being pumped into the media- both social and traditional- it's not a dishonest conversation.

I will point out that I watched a show on the 1968 Olympics yesterday. Prior to those Olympics in Mexico City there was widespread unrest among Mexican students who were demonstrating constantly. The government sent soldiers into a plaza where peaceful demonstrations were taking place. At the same time, unbeknownst to the soldiers on the ground, the government had posted snipers in the surrounding buildings and the president ordered the snipers to fire on the ground soldiers. Hundreds of people were killed and the students were blamed. I asked my wife- who has similar views to your own- why she thinks the Mexican government is capable of such a thing while the U.S. government is not. "Are you racist?" Then she got mad.

Finally, I'll say this. I have no doubt that in 1774 there was a housewife in Lexington, Massachusetts who was baking bread and tending her children. The idea that within a year soldiers and citizens might be battling each other on her front lawn was as outlandish to her then as the idea that agents of the U.S. government might knock on your door and seize your son to conscript him into the Gillibrand Youth program to cure him of his inherent toxic masculinity currently is to you.

I don't think what you said applies to me besides me not expecting a ground war with the government in the next year.

The reason automatic weapons are banned is that it was a concession given in the 1986 law in exchange for ammo sales remaining unrestricted. It's simple as that.

I think most gun owners were fine with the trade as automatic fire is pretty useless in most situations. All it does is throw off your aim after the 3rd round (muzzle climb resulting form recoil) and result in you expending your ammunition quickly. About the only tactical situation you would use automatic fire is when you are laying down covering fire.

There is a reason that even the US M16A2 is not a true automatic weapon. It fires in a 3 round burst and that change was made deliberately as they found full auto modes on the earlier M16s had turned the US Army from an army of marksmen into an army of sprayers.

As for my personal experiences, I was trained to use the IMI Galil as part of my 6 month reserve duty with the IDF. They had us try the automatic fire to empty a magazine once just so that we could understand the recoil effect. Using full automatic was strongly discouraged and for good reason. The newer versions had burst fire, but since we were reservists we only received older equipment which lacked this option. For some odd reason the Tavor, which is replacing the Galil, only has auto and semi-auto modes. I expect that will be corrected on the next version.

Excellent thoughts! Legalize fully automatic weapons so that mass murderers possibly may have a more difficult time being extremely efficient in their murders.

So if automatic weapons are useless then we really don't have meaningful gun control in this country. Is that correct?

You seem an expert at downplaying the danger of any gun.

So if automatic weapons are useless then we really don't have meaningful gun control in this country. Is that correct?

You seem an expert at downplaying the danger of any gun.

Today's left:

Trump is literally Hitler and our government is becoming fascist.

also, only the government should be able to have firearms

who said any of that?

We do have gun control in this country. It's called background checks.

The top part is said by anyone who has #resist in their Twitter profile

The bottom part is said by those same people when they call for a repeal of the 2nd Amendment

"Meaningful gun control" = "ban". I always kinda knew that's what you, and MANY meant, but it's at least nice to hear you say it.

What kind of background checks happen at gun shows?

I'm open to any suggestions on gun control. Maybe we ban something. Ogie just keeps undercutting all of the sensible gun owners with the idea that fully automatic weapons suck anyways.

How many weapons used in a mass shooting have been purchased in this manner?

https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/cor ... -loophole/

Seriously, this argument is made after each and every mass shooting yet none of them were purchased via this manner.

This reply has nothing to do with my post.

Answer the question.

This reply has nothing to do with my post.

Answer the question.

Today's left:

I'm open to any suggestions on gun control. Maybe we ban something. Ogie just keeps undercutting all of the sensible gun owners with the idea that fully automatic weapons suck anyways.

Got to chuckle at the inherent contradiction found in this statement. It is simultaneously wrong for the left to fear the possibility of a tyrannical Trump presidency yet right for gun owners to fear the possibility of tyrannical govt.