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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


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More psychological, but you would certainly feel a physical impact if you abruptly stop taking any stimulant, cocaine is especially dangerous to the cardiovascular system as it puts your heart in abnormal rhythms, if you drink a half dozen Red Bulls you will certainly feel your heart speeding up and you likely would go into an adverse atrial rhythm for a period of time, do that day after day for months and months and you do damage to your heart.

We see these people with advanced cardiac disease at early ages, they have the heart of an 80 year old when they reach their late 30's to early 40's, you also see early dementia as these binges also create extended periods of hypertension creating a lack of oxygen supply to the brain, you see the white spots on the MRI of most elderly folks, but it appears much sooner on addicts and they hit dementia at a much younger age.

This is based on older date, expect it to get much worse given the levels of abuse we see today, especially fentanyl which is quite effective in supressing respiratory function to the point that you stop breathing for periods of time which again, cut oxygen flow to the brain.


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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


McDonald's is designed to be addictive. They have chemists developing their food and ice cream. It's not just msg that keeps you coming back.

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Homelessness is way more complex than the simple and convenient fables you hear from politicians. There is in fact a significant portion of the local homeless population that is homeless purely by choice, they simply do not want to adhere to any rules or regulations, they have a hidden, but sizable group of likeminded people they are happy to live amongst, the culture has its own rules and seasons, these folks have not interest in rejoining any recognized society.



Homeless camps have become, or maybe always were, open air drug markets. Dealers will setup little outposts in the homeless camps that they go to regularly to sell/supervise/collect the proceeds from drug sales--while the dealers themselves are kicking it most of the time in nearby apts. Turf wars among dealer groups inside the homeless camps can be as violent as any cartel drug war.

There's also a cross-over between jam band fans (formerly deadheads); who travel around doing substances and using the camps as their airbnb when going to see Widespread Panic for 3 nights in this or that town.


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Addicts are also complex, there are people that have suffered unimaginable traumas who cannot get by without chemical support,


That's why some report success in overcoming addiction via Ayahuasca retreats--the ceremony addresses their underlying childhood or whenever trauma as much as the addiction itself.

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but there are also people that simply know or fit into any other peer group, once you get into the scene it is hard to get out, you've spend years using and your entire peer group uses, your really not employable, so you just keep doing what you are doing. Addicts have to want to stop and seek treatment, most of the people I encounter that beat addiction have a reason beyond themselves to stop, usually for their kids.


I think it's called doing a "geographical"--moving to a different city to get away from your dealer / drug-buddy network. Not sure how effective that is in the age of ubiquitous smart phones and social communication networks. too easy to find new connects and spin up a new network of drug buddies these days, no matter where you go.


One of the Ramones moved to Royal Oak, MI 20 years or so ago for exactly that purpose. I dunno how it worked. But he hung out on the street corners with the skate kid punks for a spell.


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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


McDonald's is designed to be addictive. They have chemists developing their food and ice cream. It's not just msg that keeps you coming back.


everything has a McDonalds "taste "

I feel like their iced coffee is objectively bad , but I still will get it occasionally.


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Remember in The Wire the chief of police opened up drug free zones and it benefited the community where it lowered violence and drive by's by a significant amount and all the drug dealers had their own 3/4 square blocks to do their shit.

I know it was fiction but why doesn't the real world do this? it was genius. Always thought this would work in a real world scenario.


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Remember in The Wire the chief of police opened up drug free zones and it benefited the community where it lowered violence and drive by's by a significant amount and all the drug dealers had their own 3/4 square blocks to do their shit.

I know it was fiction but why doesn't the real world do this? it was genius. Always thought this would work in a real world scenario.


You could just open free zones in cities where anything goes, of course there would be no services in those areas so if you overdose nobody is racing in with narcan to save your life, you could have a meat wagon roll through each day to pick up the dead bodies...it could work.


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Remember in The Wire the chief of police opened up drug free zones and it benefited the community where it lowered violence and drive by's by a significant amount and all the drug dealers had their own 3/4 square blocks to do their shit.

I know it was fiction but why doesn't the real world do this? it was genius. Always thought this would work in a real world scenario.


You could just open free zones in cities where anything goes, of course there would be no services in those areas so if you overdose nobody is racing in with narcan to save your life, you could have a meat wagon roll through each day to pick up the dead bodies...it could work.

Portland, San Fran and Seattle are all trying versions of this. Doesn’t seem to be going that well.


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You could just open free zones in cities where anything goes, of course there would be no services in those areas so if you overdose nobody is racing in with narcan to save your life, you could have a meat wagon roll through each day to pick up the dead bodies...it could work.



:lol: you don't even need a sarcasm tag for that one. one theory i read about the lifecycle of drug epidemics sorta analogized them to viral epidemics--over time, the killing off of the hosts (current addicts) and preventative/avoidance measures taken by the unaffected causes the epidemic to peter out. History of drug epidemics in the USA doesn't begin with post-Vietnam heroin-->80's cocaine-->crack-->MDMA-->meth-->pharmies (oxy)-->street H-->fentanyl/meth today ... it goes back pre-Civil War and before


the author the viral theory of drug epidemics was primarily concerned with explaining the end of crack by pointing to factors other than heightened legal penalties/interdiction: younger generations see the toll the drugs take on their parents/older relatives and shun the substances, along with the older generation either dying off or getting locked up. But it seems like the Oxy-->street heroin-->fentaynl arc is either not following the pattern or it's separate arcs daisy-chained together. Cuz the body count keeps rising.

It is interesting to look at the per 100K death rate--even at the height of the crack epidemic in the 1980's into the early 90's it never exceeds prior records and is laughably small compared to today's numbers. Partly that might be due to better reporting now vs then. The big uptick occurs in the late 1990's--Purdue Pharma introduced Oxycontin on the market right around then. The next big jump is 2015-2016, when fentanyl hit the US streets in a broader way than folks slicing open cancer patient fentanyl patches.


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One of big problems with drug addiction is the refusal of the addicted to accept the reality of what is required to GET OFF THE DRUGS AND TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR REQUIRED TO REJOIN CIVILIZED SOCIETY. Truth of things is that the great majority of the people who are filling up the sidewalks and parks in this country WANT to be there accepting their life and shooting their drugs. These are NOT "poor" homeless people who have gotten kicked out onto the street and forced out onto the street for the most part.
Do you think they grew up with the goal of being homeless that look like zombies with their only coping mechanism being the cheapest and most dangerous drugs available or this is something they decided after college that they wanted that life?



I think that addiction happens for a lot of different reasons. It has many different stories and backgrounds for each addict and homeless person that is out there. Unfortunately there is no easy answer for it nor a one way to fight it. I know this, addiction is likely to ruin civilized society because there is no tough love solutions to it that will ever be done because no one on the left will agree to any of it. Trying to "reason" with an addicted person is a no-win situation. I'm not saying that it is hopeless but unless a family member or a really good friend takes over the problem with tough love the addict will continue to kill themselves with drugs. ANd in the meantime, more and more victims will be rolled up by the addicts themselves as the victims of their crimes occur.

As for your question about the goal of being homeless. No, I do not believe that most people that end up on the street wanted originally to be there. But I do believe that they were led there by their refusal many times to deal with reality and make responsible decisions and resort to major drugs to escape from reality. And we have made drug use a harmless drug even to the poitn of making all drugs legal in many people's mind. Life is hard. Being successful is harder and there is some luck involved. But generally those who get addicted give up trying way too early and once you start on that road it easier to stay on it than it is to turn around and there are way too many people that are not looking out for your best interest but rather their own.

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One of big problems with drug addiction is the refusal of the addicted to accept the reality of what is required to GET OFF THE DRUGS AND TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR REQUIRED TO REJOIN CIVILIZED SOCIETY. Truth of things is that the great majority of the people who are filling up the sidewalks and parks in this country WANT to be there accepting their life and shooting their drugs. These are NOT "poor" homeless people who have gotten kicked out onto the street and forced out onto the street for the most part.
Do you think they grew up with the goal of being homeless that look like zombies with their only coping mechanism being the cheapest are realhtnd most dangerous drugs available or this is something they decided after college that they wanted that life?


Only ignorant people would think that. MANY addicts would give anything to overcome their addiction.


The fact of your ignorance is that you don't think that the addict in his life has failed to face their addiction and to fight it and many have failed to even ask for help with their addiction. And way too many liberals in society make excuses for the addict failing and.or even facilitate their addiction by their asinine ASSISTANCE ALONG THE WAY for the addict supporting their habits and ignoring the real need for hard prison sentences and tough drug treatment policies to get the addicted off of their drugs.

As a result we end up with drug pit cities like San Francisco building drug houses and letting drug cartels move into their city and kicking out major companies formerly doing business in their town. Anyone who has been a visitor of SF for some years has to be amazed at the end of a once great city wiped out by illegal immigration, high crime and a drug infested homeless population.

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Treat addicts and mentally ill patients every shift at work.

The issue is complex and unique because humans are complex and unique, but after working with these populations for over a decade there are a few things you notice.

People that abuse drugs do not tend to live long healthy lives and will appear as we say, "older than their stated age", it's fun when your young, but you destroy yourself and your cardiovascular system and brain are stressed frequently, which ages you at a much more rapid rate.

Wealthy people are able to pay for better care, so they will outwardly appear to have it together, but they rapidly will go into withdrawal, they of course, do not admit to abusing substances like a homeless guy, but the symptoms betray them.

Homelessness is way more complex than the simple and convenient fables you hear from politicians. There is in fact a significant portion of the local homeless population that is homeless purely by choice, they simply do not want to adhere to any rules or regulations, they have a hidden, but sizable group of likeminded people they are happy to live amongst, the culture has its own rules and seasons, these folks have not interest in rejoining any recognized society.

Addicts are also complex, there are people that have suffered unimaginable traumas who cannot get by without chemical support, but there are also people that simply know or fit into any other peer group, once you get into the scene it is hard to get out, you've spend years using and your entire peer group uses, your really not employable, so you just keep doing what you are doing. Addicts have to want to stop and seek treatment, most of the people I encounter that beat addiction have a reason beyond themselves to stop, usually for their kids.

Minorities suffer more because they come from a culture that does not trust the medical establishment and due to the almost epidemic level of diabetes and hypertension that exists in minority populations, especially African Americans, this is well known, but nobody talks about it, or seems to have any interest in addressing it, saw the manifestations during COVID and I talked about it then, but do not see any effort to address this issue.



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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


McDonald's is designed to be addictive. They have chemists developing their food and ice cream. It's not just msg that keeps you coming back.


Unbelievable take. Comparing the massive abuse of hard drugs in this country to the caloric impact of a Big Mac "laced" societal problem defies rational thought? Amazing point.

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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


McDonald's is designed to be addictive. They have chemists developing their food and ice cream. It's not just msg that keeps you coming back.




I feel like their iced coffee is objectively bad , but I still will get it occasionally.


Recommend anyone else's?

I drink Stok at home, but can't find anything else nearly as good.

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You could just open free zones in cities where anything goes, of course there would be no services in those areas so if you overdose nobody is racing in with narcan to save your life, you could have a meat wagon roll through each day to pick up the dead bodies...it could work.



:lol: you don't even need a sarcasm tag for that one. one theory i read about the lifecycle of drug epidemics sorta analogized them to viral epidemics--over time, the killing off of the hosts (current addicts) and preventative/avoidance measures taken by the unaffected causes the epidemic to peter out. History of drug epidemics in the USA doesn't begin with post-Vietnam heroin-->80's cocaine-->crack-->MDMA-->meth-->pharmies (oxy)-->street H-->fentanyl/meth today ... it goes back pre-Civil War and before


the author the viral theory of drug epidemics was primarily concerned with explaining the end of crack by pointing to factors other than heightened legal penalties/interdiction: younger generations see the toll the drugs take on their parents/older relatives and shun the substances, along with the older generation either dying off or getting locked up. But it seems like the Oxy-->street heroin-->fentaynl arc is either not following the pattern or it's separate arcs daisy-chained together. Cuz the body count keeps rising.

It is interesting to look at the per 100K death rate--even at the height of the crack epidemic in the 1980's into the early 90's it never exceeds prior records and is laughably small compared to today's numbers. Partly that might be due to better reporting now vs then. The big uptick occurs in the late 1990's--Purdue Pharma introduced Oxycontin on the market right around then. The next big jump is 2015-2016, when fentanyl hit the US streets in a broader way than folks slicing open cancer patient fentanyl patches.


Find it interesting that people still take whatever pill is handed to them at a party given the very real possibility that there may be up to a milligram of Fentanyl in that pill. Often see significant respiratory depression and hypotension in post surgical patients that have been given 25 micrograms of IV fentanyl, and that is with continuous post surgical SPO2 and BP monitoring, so you basically take four times as much after likely taking other drugs. Often have conversations with addicts days later and tell them they are basically rolling the dice each time they take anything these days.

So, any talk of mass legalization drugs would come with some very substantial costs as we try to manage the massive amount of overdoses you would likely see initially. Keep in mind that you can likely at least double and maybe triple the number of "near misses" that are reported as many people put themselves at the very brink of death regularly and are able to maintain a respiratory rate that barely keeps them alive.

Keep in mind that every single day a first responder gets cursed at by an addict for giving Narcan because it "ruined the high", so you are dealing with an almost suicidal mindset in those that are in the end stages of addiction.


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One of big problems with drug addiction is the refusal of the addicted to accept the reality of what is required to GET OFF THE DRUGS AND TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR REQUIRED TO REJOIN CIVILIZED SOCIETY. Truth of things is that the great majority of the people who are filling up the sidewalks and parks in this country WANT to be there accepting their life and shooting their drugs. These are NOT "poor" homeless people who have gotten kicked out onto the street and forced out onto the street for the most part.
Do you think they grew up with the goal of being homeless that look like zombies with their only coping mechanism being the cheapest and most dangerous drugs available or this is something they decided after college that they wanted that life?



I think that addiction happens for a lot of different reasons. It has many different stories and backgrounds for each addict and homeless person that is out there. Unfortunately there is no easy answer for it nor a one way to fight it. I know this, addiction is likely to ruin civilized society because there is no tough love solutions to it that will ever be done because no one on the left will agree to any of it. Trying to "reason" with an addicted person is a no-win situation. I'm not saying that it is hopeless but unless a family member or a really good friend takes over the problem with tough love the addict will continue to kill themselves with drugs. ANd in the meantime, more and more victims will be rolled up by the addicts themselves as the victims of their crimes occur.

As for your question about the goal of being homeless. No, I do not believe that most people that end up on the street wanted originally to be there. But I do believe that they were led there by their refusal many times to deal with reality and make responsible decisions and resort to major drugs to escape from reality. And we have made drug use a harmless drug even to the poitn of making all drugs legal in many people's mind. Life is hard. Being successful is harder and there is some luck involved. But generally those who get addicted give up trying way too early and once you start on that road it easier to stay on it than it is to turn around and there are way too many people that are not looking out for your best interest but rather their own.

This is a lot different than your idea that the homeless drug addicts want to be homeless drug addicts.

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I KNOW a guy who became a HOMLESS drug addict after BED BATH and BEYOND closed because of My Pillow sales faltering!


After doing imaginary HVAC work at the Target?

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Maybe you can settle a debate I sometimes have with other recreational drug users: cocaine, unlike say heroin/alcohol/tobacco/McDonald's is not a physically addictive substance. T or F? It's not something you enter into physical withdrawal when coming off of cocaine--the addiction to cocaine is primarily or even exclusively psychological?

Chicago comedian John Mulaney's been doing a lot of material based on his decades long cocaine habit; that he in the last few years dealt with an intervention and went into rehab. He has a bit where he talks about rolling up to rehab with a baggie of Adderall (legal cocaine), a grip of zannies (peanut butter to cocaine's chocolate), a few thousand in cash and an eight-ball--at least he had 3+ grams of cocaine on him when he left the house to go to rehab. After railing lines off his dashboard and off the Koala Kare diaper changing station in a gas station men's room (glad I'm not the only one), the cocaine was mostly gone as he walked into the rehab facility.


McDonald's is designed to be addictive. They have chemists developing their food and ice cream. It's not just msg that keeps you coming back.




I feel like their iced coffee is objectively bad , but I still will get it occasionally.


Recommend anyone else's?

I drink Stok at home, but can't find anything else nearly as good.


yea, Stok is the best of the brands at the grocery store i think . I've tried making my own a few times and it comes out just OK.


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I KNOW a guy who became a HOMLESS drug addict after BED BATH and BEYOND closed because of My Pillow sales faltering!


After doing imaginary HVAC work at the Target?
Imaginary work, but REAL dildo and vibrator purchases!

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One of big problems with drug addiction is the refusal of the addicted to accept the reality of what is required to GET OFF THE DRUGS AND TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR REQUIRED TO REJOIN CIVILIZED SOCIETY. Truth of things is that the great majority of the people who are filling up the sidewalks and parks in this country WANT to be there accepting their life and shooting their drugs. These are NOT "poor" homeless people who have gotten kicked out onto the street and forced out onto the street for the most part.
Do you think they grew up with the goal of being homeless that look like zombies with their only coping mechanism being the cheapest and most dangerous drugs available or this is something they decided after college that they wanted that life?



I think that addiction happens for a lot of different reasons. It has many different stories and backgrounds for each addict and homeless person that is out there. Unfortunately there is no easy answer for it nor a one way to fight it. I know this, addiction is likely to ruin civilized society because there is no tough love solutions to it that will ever be done because no one on the left will agree to any of it. Trying to "reason" with an addicted person is a no-win situation. I'm not saying that it is hopeless but unless a family member or a really good friend takes over the problem with tough love the addict will continue to kill themselves with drugs. ANd in the meantime, more and more victims will be rolled up by the addicts themselves as the victims of their crimes occur.

As for your question about the goal of being homeless. No, I do not believe that most people that end up on the street wanted originally to be there. But I do believe that they were led there by their refusal many times to deal with reality and make responsible decisions and resort to major drugs to escape from reality. And we have made drug use a harmless drug even to the poitn of making all drugs legal in many people's mind. Life is hard. Being successful is harder and there is some luck involved. But generally those who get addicted give up trying way too early and once you start on that road it easier to stay on it than it is to turn around and there are way too many people that are not looking out for your best interest but rather their own.


This is a lot different than your idea that the homeless drug addicts want to be homeless drug addicts.


It is true that a majority of the homeless living on the street are people who are addicts who do not want to stop living on the street nor quit using hard drugs. You ought to travel and witness the reality of drug use in the major cities in the US.

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I KNOW a guy who became a HOMLESS drug addict after BED BATH and BEYOND closed because of My Pillow sales faltering!


After doing imaginary HVAC work at the Target?


Wowie. Two pathetic examples of attempted comedy about a very serious problem in the country. Everyday, a felony attack occurs in drug infested cities which will result in a death due to lethal drugs being used or people attacked and possibly murdered because of their use. Frank and of course, Nas, somehow find it funny.

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It is true that a majority of the homeless living on the street are people who are addicts who do not want to stop living on the street nor quit using hard drugs. You ought to travel and witness the reality of drug use in the major cities in the US.
They do seem pretty happy. Can't blame them.

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Everyday, a felony attack occurs in drug infested cities which will result in a death due to lethal drugs being used or people attacked and possibly murdered because of their use.
Abraham Lincoln once said that "If you're a racist, I will attack you with the North."

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I KNOW a guy who became a HOMLESS drug addict after BED BATH and BEYOND closed because of My Pillow sales faltering!


After doing imaginary HVAC work at the Target?
Imaginary work, but REAL dildo and vibrator purchases!


My guy said the same thing. There was shit everywhere.

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Once heard Russell Brand, who is annoying AF 99.9% of the time, make the point that the life of a heroin junkie is thoreauean simplicity: do I have my fix or not? Without their dope, their life is hell. But once they secure their fix, unparalleled bliss.


I think it was in that movie with the fat guy from Moneyball who appears to be getting cancelled. iirc, the scene was Brand arguing with an airline attendant lady and he listed all the bullshit she has to deal with everyday in her job/life/marriage/whatever. while, he, Brand only had to worry about where his next fix was and at the moment it was in fat guy's shorts.


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