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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:53 am 
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He just finished up, and I listened to the whole thing. It was non-confrontational towards Obama and the U.S. Overall, a decent speech. However, Iran will never agree to his proposed restrictions, and then we would be forced to attack Iran to achieve his goal.

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He said some things that I wish I heard from our Commander in Chief, but never will.

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Duh. Like Iran is Germany and this is 1938?

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He said some things that I wish I heard from our Commander in Chief, but never will.


He did sound like a strong leader. It'll play well at home, especially with such a resounding applause throughout his speech. I suspect this will help his party's election prospects this month, which is probably a big reason for the timing of the speech.

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It was a very strong speech that will definitely help him win his election. He didn't offer any alternative to what we are trying to accomplish now though. Either Iran completely caves (not going to happen) or we go to war with Israel.

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Iran was desperate for relief from sanctions. We should have been cranking them up instead of dialing them back in return for a bunch of lies.

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It was a very strong speech that will definitely help him win his election. He didn't offer any alternative to what we are trying to accomplish now though. Either Iran completely caves (not going to happen) or we go to war with Israel.



100% accurate. That is exactly how I heard the speech. As a non-interventionist myself, I prefer the path we have chosen in trying to find an accommodation with Iran. I don't see war as a viable alternative.

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It was a very strong speech that will definitely help him win his election. He didn't offer any alternative to what we are trying to accomplish now though. Either Iran completely caves (not going to happen) or we go to war with Israel.



100% accurate. That is exactly how I heard the speech. As a non-interventionist myself, I prefer the path we have chosen in trying to find an accommodation with Iran. I don't see war as a viable alternative.



There is no accomodation with Iran to be had. We're negotiating with a nation that just sunk a replica U.S. ship as a military exercise.

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It was a very strong speech that will definitely help him win his election. He didn't offer any alternative to what we are trying to accomplish now though. Either Iran completely caves (not going to happen) or we go to war with Israel.



100% accurate. That is exactly how I heard the speech. As a non-interventionist myself, I prefer the path we have chosen in trying to find an accommodation with Iran. I don't see war as a viable alternative.

I dunno. We could feed, clothe, house and give money to every Iranian citizen and they're still going to hate us.

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Jesus Christ. It was a desperate head-fake to divert the people's attention from their real concern: the Israeli economy. He's Sheldon Adelson's marionette.

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Ok then your alternative is to go to war. Because they will continue to advance their nuclear research, and at some point Israel will attack them. It's pretty much a binary choice.

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I'm a big Netanyahu fan and think he's a better orator than Obama. He can sound charismatic and authoritative without sounding affected, and he can sound cerebral and academic without stuttering and stammering like a kid who didn't do the reading the night before. I'm eager to hear the speech. Like Brogue, I don't have a lot of faith that we can get Iran to stop hating us.

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I'm a big Netanyahu fan and think he's a better orator than Obama. He can sound charismatic and authoritative without sounding affected, and he can sound cerebral and academic without stuttering and stammering like a kid who didn't do the reading the night before. I'm eager to hear the speech. Like Brogue, I don't have a lot of faith that we can get Iran to stop hating us.

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There are hardliners and modernizers inside Iran. We have to reach out to those inside the country who would open up to the West. The more we ratchet up the rhetoric and sanctions, the more we empower the hardliners. I mean sanctions worked so well on Cuba.

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There are hardliners and modernizers inside Iran. We have to reach out to those inside the country who would open up to the West. The more we ratchet up the rhetoric and sanctions, the more we empower the hardliners. I mean sanctions worked so well on Cuba.



I don't really care if Iranians hate me. I just don't want them to have a nuclear weapon pointed at my house.

A fuckin' nation of Holocaust deniers who will never rest until Israel is gone. That's what we're "negotiating" with.

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I am well aware of that, but what is your proposed action? There are a lot of Middle East countries that fit that description.

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There are hardliners and modernizers inside Iran. We have to reach out to those inside the country who would open up to the West. The more we ratchet up the rhetoric and sanctions, the more we empower the hardliners. I mean sanctions worked so well on Cuba.



I don't really care if Iranians hate me. I just don't want them to have a nuclear weapon pointed at my house.

A fuckin' nation of Holocaust deniers who will never rest until Israel is gone. That's what we're "negotiating" with.


Iran has been close to getting a nuclear weapon for several decades. Israel's own intelligence proved that Netanyahu was lying about Iran's nuclear capabilities last year.

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everybody's either got nukes or will get them shortly. time to deal with that. the persians are arguably more reasonable than the arabs. if that doesn't work, I say we send JORR over there Slim Pickens style.

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the persians are arguably more reasonable than the arabs.



That's comforting!

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He's basically saying that any deal is a bad deal even though he hasn't seen it.

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I think ISIS is a bigger threat to Iran than Israel at the current moment.

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I think ISIS is a bigger threat to Iran than Israel at the current moment.


I think so too.

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Did anybody shout out the question, "What's da name udda joint again, Bi?!?" during his speech?

Seriously, I agree wuth br17 & CH. Our leaders could learn a few things from Netanyahu.

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I'm a big Netanyahu fan and think he's a better orator than Obama. He can sound charismatic and authoritative without sounding affected, and he can sound cerebral and academic without stuttering and stammering like a kid who didn't do the reading the night before. I'm eager to hear the speech. Like Brogue, I don't have a lot of faith that we can get Iran to stop hating us.

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No one would want our leaders to act like him.

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How many donations were written by APAC today to people in that room?

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President Obama just came out swinging at all sides. He looked pissed. I haven't seen him look like that very often.

Edit: He has been reading my posts too.

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All the heads of state and/or government in this world and the one he hates the most is Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama is a jerkass sometimes.

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All the heads of state and/or government in this world and the one he hates the most is Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama is a jerkass sometimes.


I think it's mutual. IIRC the Bush administration had similar issues. They even cut funding and stopped selling weapons to them.

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All the heads of state and/or government in this world and the one he hates the most is Benjamin Netanyahu. Obama is a jerkass sometimes.


Well, this speech was nothing more than grandstanding by the Republicans and politics by Netanyahu. It's a breach of protocol and somewhat inappropriate. On the other hand Obama has thumbed his nose at longstanding protocols throughout his terms. What does he expect? But I can understand him being pissed.

What I don't understand is how he can bow to tyrants and dance around Putin like a frightened child while reserving his outrage for the leader of our best and closest ally.

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